{"id":502760,"date":"2025-10-16T00:08:18","date_gmt":"2025-10-16T00:08:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/502760\/"},"modified":"2025-10-16T00:08:18","modified_gmt":"2025-10-16T00:08:18","slug":"will-it-be-garters-for-prince-andrew-how-the-king-can-rebuke-the-duke","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/502760\/","title":{"rendered":"Will it be garters for Prince Andrew? How the King can rebuke the duke"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u2018There\u2019s a saying in parliament that the Tories get into trouble over sex and Labour get into trouble over money because neither has enough,\u201d says a source close to the palace. \u201cBut Prince Andrew has got into trouble for both.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>While an MP can be cast out of their party, however, the uncomfortable truth remains for King Charles that a member of the royal family is in it for life. So what to do with a problem like Andrew?<\/p>\n<p>He has been stripped of any meaningful official role in a move made by Queen Elizabeth II, which was supported by Charles, who friends describe as the \u201carchitect\u201d of the plan. Andrew no longer receives public funds, holds no royal patronages and has had to relinquish his honorary military titles.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">He will never appear on the Buckingham Palace balcony again. But he is still an uncomfortable part of the furniture for an institution that is well aware that the cap-doffing deference of the past is over. Now the Palace is hastily reviewing all options to put out the fire of Andrew\u2019s latest scandal.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">The duke said that he had cut all contact with Jeffrey Epstein after flying to New York in 2010 to do the \u201chonourable\u201d thing and break off the friendship. Yet it emerged that in February 2011, after a picture had been published of Andrew with his arm around Virginia Giuffre, a woman trafficked by Epstein for sex, the duke wrote to the convicted sex offender again.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u201cI\u2019m just as concerned for you! Don\u2019t worry about me!\u201d Andrew wrote. \u201cIt would seem that we\u2019re in this together and will have to rise above it. Otherwise, keep in close touch and we\u2019ll play some more soon!!!! A.\u201d Just in case there was any doubt who \u201cA\u201d was, the duke signed off with \u201cHRH The Duke of York KG [Knight of the Garter]\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">For the Palace there is no mistaking the fact that the email represents a seismic shift, one which moves the dial from Andrew\u2019s long-held position of deniability, however implausible, to apparent evidence of a lie. Because it proves that, contrary to his previous protestations, he was still in touch with Epstein after he apparently broke off their friendship. Without action, doesn\u2019t the Palace risk being seen to simply grin and bear it?<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetimes.com\/uk\/royal-family\/article\/prince-andrew-five-years-9kjbbjqzj\" class=\"link__RespLink-sc-1ocvixa-0 csWvlP\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Prince Andrew \u2018stayed in touch with Epstein five years longer than claimed\u2019<\/b><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u201cWe\u2019re certainly not grinning and we\u2019re not bearing it,\u201d says a Palace source. \u201cWe\u2019re taking the fundamental issues extremely seriously. It is very much not the case that the Palace is turning a blind eye or a deaf ear to it all. We are taking every fresh allegation extremely seriously and reviewing the potential options for further censure, while being aware that significant steps that can be taken have largely been enacted.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">They added: \u201cIt is a source of immense frustration and concern that there continue to be holes picked in the duke\u2019s story. And there is understandable anxiety that it will impact on the royal family\u2019s wider reputation and public work, not least, of course, the Queen\u2019s notable leadership in campaigning against all forms of sexual abuse.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Prince Andrew, Virginia Giuffre, and Ghislaine Maxwell posing for a photo.\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/\/f92d5d29-cd45-4928-aa20-9de1a24ec8bf.jpg\" class=\"responsive-sc-1nnon4d-0 bAbKns\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Prince Andrew, Virginia Giuffre and Ghislaine Maxwell in 2001<\/p>\n<p>SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK\/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">A source who knows Andrew said: \u201cIf he is a man of honour, you would hope that he would tell the truth. These latest developments beg the question: what else may he have \u2018forgotten\u2019 or wilfully misled the public, and his family, about?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Andrew has, of course, always denied that he had sex with Giuffre, the woman to whom he paid a reported \u00a312 million to settle a civil case out of court with no admission of liability. Yet her testimony continues from beyond the grave as the Palace braces itself for the publication of her posthumous memoirs within the coming days.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">So what\u2019s to be done? Today Andrew retains his title of Duke of York and that of prince. Both are difficult to remove given that to do so would require intervention from parliament.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Some commentators have described it as a real crisis for the monarchy, while for others it merely confirms their already rock-bottom opinion of the duke. A YouGov poll over the summer, before the latest revelations, showed that 67 per cent of the public would back the idea of removing Andrew\u2019s dukedom.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">While it has been done before, notably in the First World War to sanction titled aristocrats fighting for the German army, extinguishing a dukedom would require a legal mechanism. \u201cAnd even if you did strip Andrew of being a duke,\u201d notes a well-placed source, \u201che\u2019d still be known as a prince, which sounds better anyway.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Andrew\u2019s right to be titled \u201cPrince\u201d is enshrined in letters patent issued by George V in 1917 and updated by Elizabeth II in 2012. The law stipulates that a child of the sovereign and the children of the sons of a reigning sovereign have the right to be called prince or princess. George V meant it as a way of limiting the use of the title but today it protects Andrew and Harry\u2019s children from having theirs removed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Yet Andrew does still hold one constitutional role: that of counsellor of state. These are members of the royal family who might be called upon to deputise for the King if he is overseas or unwell by carrying out his official duties.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Two are required to act in consort in the monarch\u2019s absence. Typically these are the monarch\u2019s consort and the next four in line to the throne over the age of 21. That includes the Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Sussex, Andrew and Princess Beatrice.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">In 2022 an amendment was made to the Counsellors of State Act that added the King\u2019s sister and his younger brother, the Princess Royal and the Duke of Edinburgh. Rather than removing Andrew and Prince Harry, a rule was added to sideline them by stating that \u201conly working members of the royal family will be called on to act as counsellors of state\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u201cIn a sense the opportunity was missed in the 2022 amendment to remove the Duke of York,\u201d says Craig Prescott, a constitutional law specialist. \u201cWhat they did instead was to all intents and purposes make it a legal dead letter by saying that he and Harry would never be called upon to act.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">The other role that Andrew still has is as a Knight of the Garter, a position he has held since 2006. While he has agreed to stay away from what one source described as \u201cthe theatrics\u201d of the annual Garter Day parade through the streets of Windsor, he is still permitted to attend the private lunch at the castle.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Some wonder if Charles should rescind the lunch invitation altogether, given that he has already been <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetimes.com\/article\/prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-royal-christmas-king-charles-m9fwffq2g\" class=\"link__RespLink-sc-1ocvixa-0 csWvlP\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">uninvited from family Christmases<\/a> and almost every other public gathering except funerals.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetimes.com\/article\/where-does-prince-andrew-get-his-money-finances-net-worth-bbgngws0m\" class=\"link__RespLink-sc-1ocvixa-0 csWvlP\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Prince Andrew\u2019s finances: my four-year quest to uncover the truth<\/b><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Taking the ancient chivalric honour away, a \u201cdegradation\u201d, as it is known, usually only occurs for treason and heresy, and hasn\u2019t been seen since the 18th century, although more recently Wilhelm II of Germany and Franz Joseph of Austria-Hungary simply had the honour removed. Others who have had honours withdrawn in disgrace include Robert Mugabe and Benito Mussolini.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">A source said: \u201cFor Andrew the punishment seems to be the life he\u2019s living as he has had everything apart from Royal Lodge taken away from him.\u201d Even the money: Andrew\u2019s private allowance from the King was removed last year when Charles pulled the plug. And he hasn\u2019t received any public money since he ceased his official duties six years ago.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">How he is funding his lifestyle at Royal Lodge, a year on, is said to be a mystery to Charles. Andrew has given verbal assurances to the Keeper of the Privy Purse that he can afford the upkeep but it\u2019s unclear quite how. Any suggestion, I\u2019m told, that Andrew still has a treasure trove left over from the last Queen and the Queen Mother is \u201cwide of the mark\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Funds may be coming from overseas as Andrew has maintained business contacts in China and the Gulf states, in one case launching a commercial arm of his Pitch@Palace venture. It emerged that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetimes.com\/article\/chinese-agent-irish-politicians-investigation-q3g7fn3gz\" class=\"link__RespLink-sc-1ocvixa-0 csWvlP\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Yang Tengbo<\/a>, a businessman who had been appointed founder of the programme\u2019s enterprise in China, was banned from the UK by the Home Office and accused by MI5 of being a Chinese spy. Tengbo denies the claim.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">A source described Andrew\u2019s fall from grace as \u201cepic\u201d but suggests that he is far from the only headache for Charles. Sarah Ferguson, Andrew\u2019s former wife, was also disgraced when an email was revealed in which she described Epstein as a \u201csupreme friend\u201d despite denouncing him in public. Charities she had supported, some for more than two decades, dropped her within hours of the publication of the email.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetimes.com\/article\/sarah-ferguson-scandal-epstein-prince-andrew-gw6gzm5xc\" class=\"link__RespLink-sc-1ocvixa-0 csWvlP\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><b>Is it game over for Fergie, the duchess of disaster?<\/b><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">There is also the Harry problem, the second \u201cDuke of Hazard\u2019, as he is known in Palace circles. A source said: \u201cHarry is a greater priority. The whole thing feels off.\u201d Any afterglow from a recent reunion between father and son was quickly scuppered by briefings from Montecito, Harry\u2019s new home in California, saying that the \u201cmen in grey suits\u201d at the Palace were trying to \u201csabotage\u201d his relationship with his father by leaking details of the meeting. Harry has written to the new home secretary to ask for a risk assessment as he keeps his battle for UK security alive.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">In other words, it rumbles on. The Andrew problem is closer to home and more pressing. One source familiar with his situation described him as a \u201cnarcissist\u201d who \u201ccleaves\u201d to Royal Lodge, the last sign of his royal status. A decision to remain at the 42-room palatial home is, they say, \u201cillogical\u201d and \u201cfinancially ruinous\u201d as the long-term lease with the Crown Estate requires him to maintain upkeep on the property.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">What does the Duke of York do all day, anyway? Watching golf on television and a twice-weekly horse ride around the Windsor Great Park are usually the only highlights. That said, Andrew is still permitted to take private family holidays at Balmoral and Sandringham and host shooting parties around the Windsor estate. Why does Charles allow it?<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u201cThere is a sense of having a residual duty of care to him,\u201d says a Palace source carefully as they note that there is very little left in Andrew\u2019s life to make it worthwhile beyond occasional contact with a few loyal friends and close family.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">The institution\u2019s concern is perhaps as much about self-preservation as it is about Andrew\u2019s wellbeing, though. If pushed, could Andrew do something as wild as to follow his nephew Harry by publishing his memoirs? It is said to be low on the list of things that courtiers worry about but Andrew could certainly use the cash.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Meanwhile, the antimonarchists are circling. \u201cThis isn\u2019t just about family,\u201d says Graham Smith, chief executive of Republic. \u201cIt\u2019s not a private matter.\u201d Giuffre\u2019s memoirs, due to be published within days, could heap further embarrassment and scandal on Andrew just as Charles prepares to meet the new Pope on a state visit to the Vatican.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Letting it be known that Andrew is no longer admitted to the Garter Day lunch, the highest order of chivalry, might be a start. Otherwise the only thing left for Charles will be to pray that Andrew has seen his final scandal.<\/p>\n<p id=\"last-paragraph\" class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">If not, the monarch is stuck. No family is perfect and many will have sympathy with the King\u2019s predicament. But unlike a prime minister, who can reshuffle their cabinet and boot out an errant minister, the King cannot extract the Windsor DNA that makes Andrew part of the family.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"\u2018There\u2019s a saying in parliament that the Tories get into trouble over sex and Labour get into trouble&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":502761,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7708],"tags":[7709,7730,7731,1760,7710,519],"class_list":{"0":"post-502760","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-royals","8":"tag-british-royal-family","9":"tag-charles","10":"tag-charles-iii","11":"tag-king-charles","12":"tag-royal-families","13":"tag-royal-family"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@uk\/115380939148392386","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/502760","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=502760"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/502760\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/502761"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=502760"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=502760"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=502760"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}