{"id":617429,"date":"2025-12-07T06:56:18","date_gmt":"2025-12-07T06:56:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/617429\/"},"modified":"2025-12-07T06:56:18","modified_gmt":"2025-12-07T06:56:18","slug":"bringing-the-ukraine-war-to-its-endgame-is-going-to-mean-messy-compromises-the-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/617429\/","title":{"rendered":"Bringing the Ukraine war to its endgame is going to mean messy compromises \u2013 The Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">In <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/samuel-beckett\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/samuel-beckett\/\">Samuel Beckett<\/a>\u2019s play Endgame the main character Hamm asks Clov, his servant, \u201cWhat\u2019s happening?\u201d and Clov replies: \u201cSomething is taking its course.\u201d The phrase jolts both characters and the audience into a more active interpretation of the repetition, meaninglessness and futility portrayed by the play up to that point.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">If we have reached the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/world\/europe\/ukraine-war\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/world\/europe\/ukraine-war\/\">Ukraine war<\/a>\u2019s endgame we need help to interpret what has been happening and what is now taking its course. That task has been made far more difficult by the sharply competing stories framing the war. Too many of those who say it is about international law, territorial integrity, war crimes, freedom and democracy portray the necessary talk of territorial concessions and security guarantees to end it first as taboo, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/world\/europe\/2025\/11\/26\/its-a-total-betrayal-little-hope-for-new-us-peace-plan-on-streets-of-kyiv\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/world\/europe\/2025\/11\/26\/its-a-total-betrayal-little-hope-for-new-us-peace-plan-on-streets-of-kyiv\/\">and now as betrayal<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">That the war has reached a potential endgame unites many of its interpretative antagonists. Yet they still divide between maximalists and pragmatists on both sides. Maximalists pursue military victory and regime change with narratives of a relentless imperial <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/russia\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/tags\/russia\/\">Russia<\/a>. Pragmatists  focus on scale and power asymmetries, notice changing public attitudes and favour compromises to avoid dangerous victories.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The German sociologist Max Weber, in a 1919 lecture on <a href=\"https:\/\/dn790009.ca.archive.org\/0\/items\/weber_max_1864_1920_politics_as_a_vocation\/weber_max_1864_1920_politics_as_a_vocation.pdf\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/dn790009.ca.archive.org\/0\/items\/weber_max_1864_1920_politics_as_a_vocation\/weber_max_1864_1920_politics_as_a_vocation.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Politics as a Vocation<\/a>, distinguished between an ethic of moral conviction and an ethic of responsibility affecting political leaders.  Moral conviction refers to core individual beliefs. Responsibility sees state violence as a means to preserve peace for the greater public good. It is the difference between a logic of sentiment and a logic of consequences. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Three narratives about the war based on moral convictions say it is about international law and territorial integrity; war crimes and genocide; freedom and democracy. They were compellingly woven together during the Biden presidency by US and European advocates of a war to defeat Putin\u2019s imperial Russia, change its regime and punish it for asserting its power against Ukraine. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/world\/europe\/2025\/12\/03\/kremlin-says-putin-accepted-some-us-proposals-on-ending-ukraine-war\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Ukraine and Russia say talks on US peace plan to continue despite Kremlin impasseOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">The narratives placed taboos on those who explored pragmatic deals with the Russians through back channels,  and encouraged hawkish biases amplified by social media outrage about appeasement, according to the Irish-American political geographer <a href=\"https:\/\/d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net\/118573605\/Toal_Talking_Taboo_PrePublication_Version-libre.pdf?1727800265=&amp;response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DThe_territorial_taboo_Explaining_the_pub.pdf&amp;Expires=1764758855&amp;Signature=Kdz0byhPjqefH5-9ZrEraddOJb3TeGMB3XjUR0ORvDx6tsRjcwAr-K0m0BSoqn4s3-9kMiE65R0PSx~3SI2m10q6LN1mEHIsgw2v0GUTOOWGYCVrxv6iNkcs~yxm1BVmjOP2PE3Ozf3SjgX7Gs99rU-6MNKNL5DiWiqj7apOt~T3wXzipQ-cqZsIJOaBLXCqtIanV3sqeVcdya-Y3NZcKScZaaKpdK20xBmFxm9NSCk8y0ThOEppSmNM7AZ~cHIPE3egNLG73x10t0ObMOZGQ5zHUtp3rloNm0tbh1M0Se38KV~-i67pW5YfbHVZXnH5ounRqjYewVSlXIftIOVdvw__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net\/118573605\/Toal_Talking_Taboo_PrePublication_Version-libre.pdf?1727800265=&amp;response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DThe_territorial_taboo_Explaining_the_pub.pdf&amp;Expires=1764758855&amp;Signature=Kdz0byhPjqefH5-9ZrEraddOJb3TeGMB3XjUR0ORvDx6tsRjcwAr-K0m0BSoqn4s3-9kMiE65R0PSx~3SI2m10q6LN1mEHIsgw2v0GUTOOWGYCVrxv6iNkcs~yxm1BVmjOP2PE3Ozf3SjgX7Gs99rU-6MNKNL5DiWiqj7apOt~T3wXzipQ-cqZsIJOaBLXCqtIanV3sqeVcdya-Y3NZcKScZaaKpdK20xBmFxm9NSCk8y0ThOEppSmNM7AZ~cHIPE3egNLG73x10t0ObMOZGQ5zHUtp3rloNm0tbh1M0Se38KV~-i67pW5YfbHVZXnH5ounRqjYewVSlXIftIOVdvw__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA\" target=\"_blank\">Gerard Toal<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Trump\u2019s dramatic shift towards Putin \u2013 based on crude material interest in Ukraine\u2019s resources and a potential geopolitical deal with Moscow \u2013 destroyed the taboo on talks. That blindsided and flummoxed these moral narrators in the US; in Europe their continuing adherents are equally nonplussed yet hold the European Union to the three narratives of moral conviction. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" class=\"c-image audio_image\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/1751392718161-965a25f7-3e09-43b1-9e0f-cbe72bda1288.jpeg\"\/>Why the push for peace in Ukraine is failing<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">They are undoubtedly close to the EU\u2019s founding principles; yet they have little to contribute to the endgame\u2019s messy compromises on territory, security and sovereignty \u2013 other than to provide cover while the EU makes its historic shift to strategic autonomy from an unreliable US. Their proclaimed universality is undermined by their numbness to Israel\u2019s genocidal war on Gaza, making them part of western hypocrisy, seen from the global south. That allows Putin to present Russian imperialism spuriously as anti-colonial because it is anti-western. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Overall, the moral conviction maximalist narrative has lost its way and no longer guides actual political practice on Ukraine. The pragmatic, consequentialist narrative offers more insight on public attitudes in Ukraine and Europe. War-weary Ukrainians are <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/are-ukrainians-ready-for-ceasefire-and-concessions-heres-what-the-polls-say-252025\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/are-ukrainians-ready-for-ceasefire-and-concessions-heres-what-the-polls-say-252025\" target=\"_blank\">anxious<\/a> to end the fighting by territorial compromises and concessions on Crimea and Donbas; but they are determined to maintain the sovereignty their fight has established over the 80 per cent of Ukraine they control. Elsewhere in Europe, the same firm but finite support exists for Ukraine; it is willing to fund reconstruction, but not to put fighting boots on the ground.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">\u201cUkraine must not lose the war, and Russia must not win it\u201d sums up the better European pragmatic consequentialist approach. Ukraine has secured its sovereignty and path to the EU, Russia <a href=\"https:\/\/nationalinterest.org\/feature\/why-putin-should-declare-victory-in-ukraine-now\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/nationalinterest.org\/feature\/why-putin-should-declare-victory-in-ukraine-now\" target=\"_blank\">many of its war aims<\/a>. Recognising Russia\u2019s imperial actions and ambitions is a central theme, as Ukraine\u2019s president Volodymyr Zelenskiy <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/2025\/12\/02\/volodymyr-zelenskiy-ireland-visit-live-updates\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/2025\/12\/02\/volodymyr-zelenskiy-ireland-visit-live-updates\/\">reminded his Irish hosts<\/a>. But finding a deal to preserve Ukrainian, European \u2013 and Russian \u2013 sovereignties during this major geopolitical shift is difficult as both sides seek optimal negotiating positions.<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph b-it-article-body__interstitial-link\">[\u00a0<a aria-label=\"Open related story\" class=\"c-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/politics\/2025\/12\/02\/ukraines-fate-hangs-in-the-balance-as-zelenskiy-receives-warm-welcome-in-dublin\/\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Ukraine\u2019s fate hangs in the balance as Zelenskiy receives warm welcome in DublinOpens in new window<\/a>\u00a0]<\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Hard choices about territory, security, human and language rights, alliances, sanctions, resources, investment funds and intelligence sharing are required with the kind of responsible statecraft now rare among European leaders. It is salutary to be reminded by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/world\/2025\/11\/25\/ukraine-and-europe-will-probably-have-to-accept-version-of-trumps-peace-plan\/\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/world\/2025\/11\/25\/ukraine-and-europe-will-probably-have-to-accept-version-of-trumps-peace-plan\/\" target=\"_blank\">Denis Staunton<\/a> that \u201ca draft communique from the Istanbul talks on April 15th, 2022, offered a more robust security guarantee, including the imposition of a no-fly zone over Ukraine in the event of renewed Russian aggression. It did not involve sweeping territorial concessions on Ukraine\u2019s part\u201d,  after the deaths of one million Russian and 400,000 Ukrainian soldiers. <\/p>\n<p class=\"c-paragraph paywall \">Beckett\u2019s play, first performed in 1957, is often seen as bleak and nihilistic. The something that is happening remains undefined when Hamm asks whether \u201cWe\u2019re not beginning to &#8230; to mean something?\u201d Clov\u2019s reply \u2013 \u201cAh that\u2019s a good one!\u201d \u2013 challenges Europeans leaders to make their statecraft more meaningful at this moment. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"In Samuel Beckett\u2019s play Endgame the main character Hamm asks Clov, his servant, \u201cWhat\u2019s happening?\u201d and Clov replies:&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":617430,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7654],"tags":[2000,299,69751,332,192350,657,9041,49,20729],"class_list":{"0":"post-617429","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-ukraine","8":"tag-eu","9":"tag-europe","10":"tag-north-atlantic-treaty-organisation-nato","11":"tag-russia","12":"tag-samuel-beckett","13":"tag-ukraine","14":"tag-ukraine-crisis","15":"tag-united-states","16":"tag-volodymyr-zelenskiy"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@uk\/115676983781729532","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/617429","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=617429"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/617429\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/617430"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=617429"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=617429"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=617429"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}