{"id":113177,"date":"2025-08-02T14:25:40","date_gmt":"2025-08-02T14:25:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/113177\/"},"modified":"2025-08-02T14:25:40","modified_gmt":"2025-08-02T14:25:40","slug":"interview-with-killer-films-founders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/113177\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Killer Films founders"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Only a handful of production companies inspire audience cheers when their name pops up in a movie\u2019s credits. (Leo the Lion\u2019s MGM roar comes to mind, but maybe that\u2019s just fight or flight.) But you know when Killer Films\u2019 rabbit hops onto the screen with its dartboard-target body that you\u2019re about to get your indie world rocked. Recent hits like Materialists and May December are proof of this, but longtime fans of Todd Haynes and off-beat classics like Party Monster, Vox Lux and Kids can trace a long lineage of singular cinematic visions to the New York-based company, headed by producers Christine Vachon and Pamela Koffler.<\/p>\n<p>This August, Killer Films celebrates 30 years of movie magic with a two-week series at the downtown arthouse <a href=\"https:\/\/metrograph.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Metrograph<\/a>, with several in-person intros and filmmaker Q&amp;As. Five of the seven films will screen in 35mm, including Todd Haynes\u2019 I\u2019m Still Here and Far From Heaven, Cindy Sherman\u2019s (only film!) Office Killer, Mark Romanek\u2019s One Hour Photo and John Cameron Mitchell\u2019s Hedwig and the Angry Inch. Janicza Bravo\u2019s Twitter-world masterpiece Zola and Todd Solondz\u2019s controversial Happiness will be shown in digital format.<br \/>(You can find a full schedule of screenings and special events on Metrograph\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/metrograph.com\/category\/killer-films\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">website<\/a>.)<br \/>The history of Killer is inextricably linked to Haynes\u2019 groundbreaking career: his first feature, Poison, was the company\u2019s first production. Though it helped establish the emerging New Queer Cinema subgenre that brought us Gregg Araki, Cheryl Dunye and Gus Van Sant, the gloriously weird, unpinnable anthology based on the explicitly gay writings of Jean Genet is hardly anyone\u2019s idea of a solid first venture for a fledgling company. So how did that get made?<br \/>\u201cI&#8217;ll tell you exactly how,\u201d said Vachon in an exclusive interview. \u201cIt was a film that could be marketed to a very underserved audience, and that audience showed up for it and the movie was profitable. In fact, it broke records at the Angelika that went unbroken for a strangely long time, considering a lot of the queer audiences that went to see it came out scratching their heads, saying, I just wanted to see some boys kissing, what was that?, because it was a very experimental film. But a lot of them came out having had an experience that really changed them, and it changed how they saw movies for the rest of their lives.\u201d<br \/>Their success, Vachon believes, was due in part to a lack of options for queer media in the \u201890s. \u201cIn those days, it almost felt like we were all in the same goldfish bowl,\u201d she said, recalling how she\u2019d promote Hedwig by personally handing out leaflets at local gay bars, or on a themed float at that year\u2019s Pride parade. (\u201cThat foam headdress was just such a great prop, it lent itself to a communal experience,\u201d Koffler chuckled.) But Koffler also added that the audience loyalty they felt had an extra degree of intention: \u201cThis was a time when there was no streaming or TV, and more movie theaters and ways to go to the cinema and see stuff.\u201d Everyone who went to see a Killer film, wanted to see a Killer film.<br \/>Still, it wasn\u2019t until 1999\u2019s Boys Don\u2019t Cry that Koffler thinks Hollywood stopped thinking of their company as that \u201cstinky little office in downtown New York.\u201d Kimberly Peirce\u2019s biodrama about the murder of a trans man brought the company overnight success, and their first Oscar glories. (Hilary Swank won for Best Actress, Chloe Sevigny was nominated for Best Supporting.) Though she was hesitant about singing their 30th anniversary from the rooftops, as Vachon said she was game to do, Koffler feels a sage peace about their role in the industry.<br \/>\u201cThe business has changed so many times, in so many ways over the past thirty years, and we really do know what we\u2019re doing at this point,\u201d she told me. \u201cSo if anyone\u2019s gonna get to keep making things, I feel like we have a pretty good shot. We don\u2019t have a crystal ball, but we at least know how to figure out the path.\u201d<br \/>Below, Vachon and Koffler run down the history of Killer Films through a few of the movies screening at Metrograph. The conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"b0dffc8a-c50f-8149-c5d5-0a7b94809e35\" class=\"photo lazy inline\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"lazy-embed\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/1754144738_557_image.webp.webp\" alt=\"Office Killer\" data-caption=\"\" data-credit=\"Photograph: Courtesy Killer Films\" data-width-class=\"\" data-image-id=\"106301908\"\/>&#13;<br \/>\nPhotograph: Courtesy Killer Films&#13;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Office Killer<\/strong><strong> (1997)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Koffler: <\/strong>[Producers] Ted Hope and James Schamus had cooked up a division for their company, Good Machine, called Good Fear, which was intended to make low-budget, artful horror films. But I think ours ended up being the only one\u2026<br \/><strong>Vachon: <\/strong>I\u2019d met Cindy a time or two through my partner, Marlene McCarty, when they were both represented by the same gallery, Metro Pictures. We managed to get to her pretty easily and just sat down with her and were like, \u201cWhat do you think?\u201d<br \/><strong>Koffler:<\/strong> There\u2019s a kind of macabre cinematic vibe to her photographs, so it felt like a natural proposition to translate that into her tone and style in movies.<br \/><strong>Time Out: <\/strong>I\u2019ve noticed its reputation has increased over the years versus the reception then.<br \/><strong>Koffler:<\/strong> I mean, we love that movie. There\u2019s something campy and out-there about it that we felt was of a piece with a sort of artifice, and some of the lines crack us up. \u201cDid you send me something by fax modem?\u201d We quote that a lot.<br \/><strong>Time Out: <\/strong>Did you try to pull her back in for another movie after that?<br \/><strong>Vachone:<\/strong> I think she had a good experience, though you\u2019d have to ask her. It was a good crew, a great cast and people were really happy to be there. It just felt like one of those movies where we were getting what the director wanted. The reviews were not good, and I think people came after her with knives out because she\u2019d \u201cjumped out of her lane,\u201d but she was sort of like, \u201cWhatever, I got my other thing, too.\u201d And if she ever wanted to do another movie, I hope she\u2019d come to us, but she may have felt like she did what she wanted to do with this one.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"f5a4c315-08ba-d6ef-daa4-656e4a031ff8\" class=\"photo lazy inline\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"lazy-embed\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/1754144739_963_image.webp.webp\" alt=\"Happiness\" data-caption=\"Happiness\" data-credit=\"Photograph: Courtesy Killer Films\" data-width-class=\"\" data-image-id=\"106301909\"\/>&#13;<br \/>\nPhotograph: Courtesy Killer FilmsHappiness&#13;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Happiness<\/strong><strong> (1998)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Vachon:<\/strong> There was a lot of controversy in the press around its \u201cpedophile loving content\u201d \u2013 I say sarcastically \u2013 and Good Machine took the movie over when October (which then morphed into USA Films, which then morphed into Focus Features) was owned by Universal, and they suddenly were longer able to distribute it.<br \/><strong>Time Out:<\/strong> Would you run into these sudden drops from distributors often?<br \/><strong>Vachon:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know the last time that\u2019s happened. I mean, we came under criticism for Swoon because it was at the height of the AIDS crisis and it was considered not a positive image. We got picked on by Stonewall veterans for Stonewall and then they all came to the after-party. And Kids had a journey as well.<br \/><strong>Time Out: <\/strong>I\u2019m so fascinated by works that were pilloried by parts of the community in their time for \u201cnegative representation.\u201d This sounds so corny, but where did you find the strength to say, This is an artistic statement worth putting out there and hopefully, eventually we\u2019ll be vindicated?<br \/><strong>Vachon:<\/strong> You weren\u2019t pilloried the way you are now on social media. I think we just had a very strong sense of the stories we wanted to tell and we were like, Well, what&#8217;s going to happen? It was definitely, in the AIDS era, an issue. Tom and Todd and I, back in those days, talked a lot about the fact that we weren\u2019t part of a community that had one positive image. But, like, what was that? A 40-year-old doctor who goes to the Pines every weekend? Honestly, what is that? Something we talked about on Swoon, for example, was that one of the leads, who was straight, was asked a lot how he felt playing a gay character. And he was like, Why aren&#8217;t you asking me how it feels to play a child murderer?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"1ec79190-53c3-dcd1-04a7-97f17f285034\" class=\"photo lazy inline\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"lazy-embed\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/1754144739_744_image.webp.webp\" alt=\"Hedwig and the Angry Inch\" data-caption=\"Hedwig and the Angry Inch\" data-credit=\"Photograph: Courtesy Killer Films\" data-width-class=\"\" data-image-id=\"106301912\"\/>&#13;<br \/>\nPhotograph: Courtesy Killer FilmsHedwig and the Angry Inch&#13;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hedwig and the Angry Inch <\/strong><strong>(2001)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Time Out:<\/strong> I\u2019m realizing Killer hasn\u2019t done any other stage adaptations other than this.<br \/><strong>Koffler:<\/strong> I guess our source material usually comes through the writers, directors, actors who bring us projects that inspire them. It\u2019s not like we\u2019ve steered away from it. But this was such a unique underground phenomenon that felt very in sync with the kind of story we wanted to tell.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Time Out:<\/strong> Was John Cameron Mitchell in your orbit at the time?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vachon:<\/strong> He\u2019d actually auditioned for I Shot Andy Warhol to play Warhol. Jared Harris did an extraordinary job, but so did John. I think he and Todd [Haynes] and Tom [Kalin, the film\u2019s producer] were friends while he was developing the Hedwig character at various nightclubs. So, we were hearing about it.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"4060baa9-abda-a6e9-937f-a8302a0f838c\" class=\"photo lazy inline\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"lazy-embed\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/1754144740_947_image.webp.webp\" alt=\"One Hour Photo\" data-caption=\"One Hour Photo\" data-credit=\"Photograph: Courtesy Killer Films\" data-width-class=\"\" data-image-id=\"106301913\"\/>&#13;<br \/>\nPhotograph: Courtesy Killer FilmsOne Hour Photo&#13;<\/p>\n<p><strong>One Hour Photo<\/strong><strong> (2002)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Koffler: <\/strong>Mark wrote that script and sent it to us, saying he wanted us to produce it. Even though it wasn\u2019t his first feature, he really felt like this was somehow the restart of his intention to make movies, and we just figured it out. Searchlight [the distribution company] saw it as a thriller, and could be marketed like that, but creatively, Mark was really going for a dark character study and he rode that line really beautifully and made the exact film he wanted. It struck a chord, and it was our first movie that did some real box office.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vachon:<\/strong> Yeah, it was number three one weekend.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Time Out:<\/strong> Were you interested in casting Robin Williams against type in this role?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Koffler:<\/strong> My memory is that Mark had a vision that he felt Robin was gifted and was that character: the right age, and an affable, approachable, kind-hearted seeming character. A lot of comedians have that dark current of something sad, and Robin actually did have that underneath. Mark saw that. It wasn\u2019t stunt-casting the way we might think of it today, I don\u2019t remember it like that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vachon: <\/strong>It was at a time when Robin was trying to shift into different types of movies and roles. If I remember correctly, his folks called us and said, \u201cI don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re open to this, but\u2026\u201d We went, huh, and Mark really felt that it was something that he could work with.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"b9ea5a9a-8d7a-efea-f3f0-bb3ead3d76fc\" class=\"photo lazy inline\" loading=\"lazy\" data-component=\"lazy-embed\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/1754144740_49_image.webp.webp\" alt=\"Zola\" data-caption=\"Zola\" data-credit=\"Photograph: Courtesy Killer Films\" data-width-class=\"\" data-image-id=\"106301914\"\/>&#13;<br \/>\nPhotograph: Courtesy Killer FilmsZola&#13;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Zola<\/strong><strong> (2020)<br \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Time Out:<\/strong> You\u2019ve recently been in partnership with A24, do you feel a kindred downtown New York sensibility with them?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Koffler:<\/strong> They\u2019re obviously committed to the theatrical experience and very attracted to strong, original storytelling. It was just inevitable that we\u2019d overlap in films that they\u2019d be right to distribute and finance. And they\u2019re in New York, so it does feel like there\u2019s an affinity. Thankfully, there\u2019s a lot of great distributors, and our movies are right for some and not for others, but it\u2019s been great to get to know those guys because we\u2019ve now done five films with them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Time Out:<\/strong> How do you feel about maintaining an indie sensibility as you \u201clevel up\u201d in terms of reach?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vachon:<\/strong> It\u2019s always hard, especially these days, to say what exactly makes a movie an indie film? Our movies get their financing in all kinds of ways, often with a studio element, sometimes with a foreign sales element, an incentive, a bank loan, what have you. But if you sell a movie like May December to Netflix after you\u2019ve made it, is it a Netflix movie, or what is it? So I resist those terms a little bit. I guess at the end of the day, is an independent film simply defined by it being the result of a reasonably singular vision, or is it completely about the financing? I did an interview years ago for The New York Times Magazine with Larry Gordon, the big deal Hollywood producer, where we kind of interviewed each other. He had just done Waterworld, and I think before we even began the interview, he said, I always just thought an independent film was a movie you brought to market? And it\u2019s a little, like, it kinda is.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Only a handful of production companies inspire audience cheers when their name pops up in a movie\u2019s credits.&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":113178,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5122],"tags":[5229,48814,53,405,403,48815,5226,5225,5228,5227,67,586,132,5230,68,2969],"class_list":{"0":"post-113177","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-new-york","8":"tag-america","9":"tag-categories-movies","10":"tag-movies","11":"tag-new-york","12":"tag-new-york-city","13":"tag-news-movies","14":"tag-newyork","15":"tag-newyorkcity","16":"tag-ny","17":"tag-nyc","18":"tag-united-states","19":"tag-united-states-of-america","20":"tag-unitedstates","21":"tag-unitedstatesofamerica","22":"tag-us","23":"tag-usa"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@us\/114959635325040997","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/113177","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=113177"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/113177\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/113178"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=113177"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=113177"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=113177"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}