{"id":121263,"date":"2025-08-05T16:04:20","date_gmt":"2025-08-05T16:04:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/121263\/"},"modified":"2025-08-05T16:04:20","modified_gmt":"2025-08-05T16:04:20","slug":"this-conversation-is-being-recorded-and-so-is-everything-else-you-do-in-san-francisco","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/121263\/","title":{"rendered":"This conversation is being recorded \u2014 and so is everything else you do in San Francisco"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Warning, San Francisco: That cute necklace your coworker is wearing might be recording you.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">A crop of startups is selling stealthy AI-powered recording devices and software that\u2019s becoming increasingly popular across Silicon Valley. Regardless of whether you\u2019re in a contentious work meeting, having coffee on a first date, or enjoying the wild abandon of a house party, there\u2019s a growing likelihood that someone is listening.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cMy general sense is that we should assume we are being recorded at all times,\u201d said Clara Brenner, a partner at venture capital firm Urban Innovation Fund. \u201cOf course, this is a horrible way to live your life.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Some of these devices are wearables masquerading as fashionable pendants, like those made by Limitless, or discreet lapel pins, like those by Plaud. Bee even has a device that doubles as a stylish bracelet. Others are apps that run quietly in the background of phones and laptops, <a href=\"https:\/\/sfstandard.com\/2025\/07\/18\/cluely-startups-roy-lee-columbia-cheating-viral-tiktok\/\" data-post-id=\"8f4d7d80-c5d0-42a8-a898-7802739ef713\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">like Cluely<\/a>, Granola, and OpenAI\u2019s new ChatGPT Record feature.\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">It can be hard to know when one is being used. Some devices flash or light up when they\u2019re recording; others glow when they\u2019re switched off. Most automatically generate AI transcripts and audio recordings of everything with which their owner interacts.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Why would anyone voluntarily wear these roving surveillance devices? It\u2019s not necessarily to catch people saying things they\u2019ll regret. Enthusiasts report that the recorders help them stay \u201cpresent\u201d in meetings, outsource busywork, and act as a perpetually available collaborator.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">But many who work in offices where the devices are becoming the norm report that they have begun to self-censor, worried about every offhand comment being etched into an AI-generated transcript. Meanwhile, lawyers warn that it\u2019s only a matter of time before these nonconsensual records and audio files become liabilities in court.<\/p>\n<p>The always-listening crowd<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">For many in the tech industry, AI recording tools have become a way of life.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">At a Dolores Park picnic this summer, a group of founders chatted over snacks and cans of sparkling water. A closer inspection revealed glowing LED lights from AI note-taking devices \u2014 a red burst from a silver clip at someone\u2019s collar, a blue ray from a triangular pendant, and a white blip from yet another neckpiece.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">This is the new normal, said Anith Patel, founder of the wearable AI note-taker <a href=\"https:\/\/www.getbuddi.ai\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Buddi<\/a>, whose own collar accessory flashed blue. \u201cAt a picnic, you meet 10-plus people, so it&#8217;s better to get it documented so you remember,\u201d Patel said. Permission to record is \u201cjust assumed,\u201d he added.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Nicholas Lopez said AI recording tools have given him a \u201csecond brain\u201d for building his AI \u201csuperconsultant\u201d out of tech incubator <a href=\"https:\/\/sfstandard.com\/2025\/04\/06\/dogpatch-twilio-jeff-lawson-startup-incubator\/\" data-post-id=\"9bd860bc-46b5-43b0-9587-29a2279c02bc\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Founders Garage<\/a>. His $159 Plaud pin helps detail conversation topics, highlights, and takeaways.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201c[It\u2019s] like having a modern-day Rockefeller Rolodex that keeps track of my network, my meetings, my entire life,\u201d he said, referencing the late banker David Rockefeller\u2019s custom-designed <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/articles\/david-rockefellers-famous-rolodex-is-astonishing-heres-a-first-peek-1512494592?gaa_at=eafs&amp;gaa_n=ASWzDAgy5H0hSONwcVMVR-S2qehYebMynKk9Mq7LM30hd-P6pItpbaCCQ-umJUJtoDY%3D&amp;gaa_ts=68826b7f&amp;gaa_sig=b7dlaYKF6Pphyu02QBKh6dBNo003Osf27bNWceonH-pysCeKNI-s0LdIzdgRS_wkRhKbp-eEP-7e2TW9NfGQ-A%3D%3D\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">5-foot-high filing system<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Outside of work, Lopez has started taking his Plaud to house parties as a kind of social experiment that allows him to relive nights out. \u201cPeople come over and say crazy things into it,\u201d Lopez said.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">AI wearables have become so ubiquitous that people rarely comment, said Jeff Wilson, a VC and cofounder of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nocap.so\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">No Cap,<\/a> a Y Combinator\u2013backed startup building an AI-powered VC investing tool.<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"A stylized sauna scene with a seated woman wrapped in a towel and a standing man in a towel holding up his hands, surrounded by steam.\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1600\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"1\" class=\"block lazyloaded\" style=\"color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-image:url(&quot;data:image\/svg+xml;charset=utf-8,%3Csvg xmlns='http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' viewBox='0 0 1600 1600'%3E%3Cfilter id='b' color-interpolation-filters='sRGB'%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3CfeColorMatrix values='1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 100 -1' result='s'\/%3E%3CfeFlood x='0' y='0' width='100%25' height='100%25'\/%3E%3CfeComposite operator='out' in='s'\/%3E%3CfeComposite in2='SourceGraphic'\/%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3C\/filter%3E%3Cimage width='100%25' height='100%25' x='0' y='0' preserveAspectRatio='none' style='filter: url(%23b);' href='data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw=='\/%3E%3C\/svg%3E&quot;)\"   src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/-S3840x3840-FPNG.png\"\/>Source: Illustration by Bratislav Milenkovic<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">During a coffee meeting, a Limitless pendant hung from Wilson\u2019s chest; his Meta Ray-Bans were in their case. Beside him, Pat Santiago, founder of Accelr8, a coliving startup, had a Buddi pinned to his collar that he uses to gather intel at networking parties and pitch nights. No Cap processes the data he captures with his collar recorder to surface early-stage investments, Santiago explained. \u201cThe AI can see patterns that we can\u2019t.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">When a reporter from The Standard added an old-fashioned audio recorder to the table, there were four devices recording the conversation. \u201cI don\u2019t think people care that much anymore,\u201d Wilson said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">But some users acknowledge that Silicon Valley\u2019s newfound recording culture has them on edge. Even a confidential chat in the back of a coffee shop may not be safe.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cI know a VC who records all in-person meetings on their watch, without telling the other meeting participants,\u201d Brenner said. &#8220;It&#8217;s an invasion of privacy and I seriously disapprove of it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">For online meetings, Granola has become the AI-powered note-taking <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theinformation.com\/articles\/granola-ai-note-taking-grabbed-silicon-valleys-attention?rc=fznnhf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">app of choice<\/a> for the investor class. Instead of joining meetings publicly as a bot, like <a href=\"http:\/\/Otter.AI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Otter.AI<\/a> does, Granola runs locally on the user\u2019s device. The app syncs directly with your calendar and begins transcribing when you have a meeting. Granola wasn\u2019t intended to be a \u201cstealth\u201d app \u2014 its website recommends always asking for consent \u2014 but many in the tech world don\u2019t bother.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cSome investors assume everyone is using one, so why be awkward and bring it up?\u201d Brenner said, who always makes it a point to ask for permission.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">San Francisco-based human experience researcher Harvin Park has seen firsthand how AI recording changes behavior. When you know the person will refer back to their notes, \u201cit&#8217;s fundamentally a different conversation,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cThey often start speaking in prompts,\u201d he said. \u201cThey talk in a way that has the AI remembering key details.\u201d For example, \u201cOne of the important things about me is X,\u201d or \u201cYou should remember Y.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img alt=\"RayBan Meta glasses\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1039\" height=\"698\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"1\" class=\"block lazyloaded\" style=\"color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-image:url(&quot;data:image\/svg+xml;charset=utf-8,%3Csvg xmlns='http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' viewBox='0 0 1039 698'%3E%3Cfilter id='b' color-interpolation-filters='sRGB'%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3CfeColorMatrix values='1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 100 -1' result='s'\/%3E%3CfeFlood x='0' y='0' width='100%25' height='100%25'\/%3E%3CfeComposite operator='out' in='s'\/%3E%3CfeComposite in2='SourceGraphic'\/%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3C\/filter%3E%3Cimage width='100%25' height='100%25' x='0' y='0' preserveAspectRatio='none' style='filter: url(%23b);' href='data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw=='\/%3E%3C\/svg%3E&quot;)\"   src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/-S3840x2580-FPNG.png\"\/>Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg uneviled the company&#8217;s collaboration with Ray-Ban in 2023. | Source: Godofredo A. V\u00c3\u00a1squez\/AP Photo<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Just as smartphones, Slack, and microwavable salmon have forced the creation of new office policies, so too are AI recorders changing workplace etiquette. Jarad Johnson, CEO of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mostlyserious.io\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mostly Serious<\/a>, a Missouri firm that builds websites and trains businesses to use AI, said around a quarter of his clients are drafting or have implemented AI recording policies.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cIt\u2019s a big shift,\u201d he said.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Some of his clients have leaned in, buying AI wearables for entire teams, particularly those in sales. One opted for always-on recording (Missouri is a one-party consent state, meaning most recorded conversations are legal) and sends transcripts to every participant. Another company rewrote its policy to tell employees to assume that AI is recording everything.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Is this even legal?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">The rules around recording permission differ by state. California\u2019s wiretapping law requires everyone in a confidential conversation to give explicit consent before being recorded in situations where there\u2019s a \u201creasonable expectation of privacy.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cYou could potentially be subject to criminal penalties if you record a conversation and all parties haven\u2019t consented,\u201d said Catherine Crump, a technology law expert at UC Berkeley.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Those building AI recording devices hope there\u2019s a gray area.\u00a0Patel said his Buddi device transcribes but does not record audio for that exact reason.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">But Crump is unsure whether that level of hair-splitting would hold up in court, since using a transcribing tool is not so different from hiring someone to secretly listen in and take copious notes. Another open legal question is whether the tech world\u2019s \u201creasonable expectations of privacy\u201d have changed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cIf these bozos are wearing really obvious devices that clearly signal they are recording, and you speak to them, that could constitute consent, even in a private place,\u201d said <a href=\"https:\/\/www.law.berkeley.edu\/our-faculty\/faculty-profiles\/chris-hoofnagle\/#tab_profile\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Chris Hoofnagle<\/a>, faculty director of the Berkeley Center for Law &amp; Technology.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">In cases where AI-recorded transcripts are found, subsequent lawsuits will determine whether the records themselves violate the law. Then, \u201cthe burden is on the person who did the recording to prove that the other side consented,\u201d Crump said.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">For now, the responsibility for getting appropriate consent has largely fallen on users, with companies distancing themselves from legal liability. An OpenAI spokesperson told The Standard that users must get consent and obey local laws; the company encourages this by placing a grayed-out reminder \u2014 \u201cask before recording others\u201d \u2014 beneath its red \u201crecord\u201d button.\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Granola cofounder Sam Stephensen said during an interview \u2014 which he kicked off by asking permission to use Granola to take notes \u2014 that an experimental feature enables users to send an automated message letting others know they\u2019re using note-taking technology.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">While many have resigned themselves to the slow erosion of personal privacy, <a href=\"https:\/\/confident.security\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Confident Security<\/a> CEO Jonathan Mortensen is fighting back. \u201cI\u2019ve had so many calls where I\u2019ve said, like, \u2018Please don\u2019t record me,\u2019 and no one knows how to turn off the recording or kick out the note-takers,\u201d Mortensen said.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">In response, Mortensen\u2019s team spent July building <a href=\"https:\/\/dontrecord.me\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Don\u2019t Record Me<\/a>, an open-source browser plugin that can detect illicit recordings and prevent them via adversarial AI in the form of high-frequency subsonic sounds that are imperceptible to humans but scramble transcription tools.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cWe\u2019re gonna give it away for free,\u201d Mortensen said. \u201cThe goal is not to be heard by AI but to be heard by humans.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">Eventually, it should work against wearables as well, and he\u2019s also developing a mobile app.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">For some, the last refuge for truly off-the-record conversations is to get stripped down and sweaty in a sauna; ironically, a historical tactic for organized crime members and others up to no good. But eventually, even that may provide little protection against prying ears.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph-block article-body undefined text-left\">\u201cIt will definitely work,\u201d Patel said of his Buddi device. \u201cAt temperatures of 40 degrees Celsius [104 degrees Fahrenheit], it\u2019s totally fine.\u201d<\/p>\n<ul class=\"StickySharer_list__Lirqs\">\n<li class=\"StickySharer_copyLink__8rSnj\">Copy link to this article<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/sfstandard.com\/cdn-cgi\/l\/email-protection#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\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Send as email\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=This%20conversation%20is%20being%20recorded%20%E2%80%94%20and%20so%20is%20everything%20else%20you%20do%20in%20San%20Francisco&amp;via=sfstandard&amp;url=https:\/\/sfstandard.com\/2025\/08\/05\/ai-wearables-recording-devices\/?utm_source=twitter_sitebutton&amp;utm_medium=site_buttons&amp;utm_campaign=site_buttons\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Share on Twitter\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/intent\/compose?text=This conversation is being recorded \u2014 and so is everything else you do in San Francisco https:\/\/sfstandard.com\/2025\/08\/05\/ai-wearables-recording-devices\/?utm_source=bluesky_sitebutton&amp;utm_medium=site_buttons&amp;utm_campaign=site_buttons\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Share on Bluesky\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https:\/\/sfstandard.com\/2025\/08\/05\/ai-wearables-recording-devices\/?utm_source=facebook_sitebutton&amp;utm_medium=site_buttons&amp;utm_campaign=site_buttons\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Share on Facebook\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Warning, San Francisco: That cute necklace your coworker is wearing might be recording you. 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