{"id":137087,"date":"2025-08-11T13:57:09","date_gmt":"2025-08-11T13:57:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/137087\/"},"modified":"2025-08-11T13:57:09","modified_gmt":"2025-08-11T13:57:09","slug":"5-things-to-know-as-newsom-and-trump-go-back-to-court-over-the-national-guard-in-la-long-beach-post-news","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/137087\/","title":{"rendered":"5 things to know as Newsom and Trump go back to court over the National Guard in LA \u2022 Long Beach Post News"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This story was originally published by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">CalMatters<\/a>.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/subscribe-to-calmatters\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Sign up<\/a>\u00a0for their newsletters.<\/p>\n<p>Did the U.S. military illegally engage in civilian law enforcement when they were deployed to Los Angeles in June under the orders of President\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/tag\/donald-trump\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Donald Trump<\/a>\u00a0and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth?<\/p>\n<p>California Gov.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/tag\/gavin-newsom\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">Gavin Newsom<\/a>\u00a0and Attorney General Rob Bonta say yes. Trump\u2019s Department of Justice says no. The three-day trial to answer this question is scheduled to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.123.0_3.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">commence today at 10 a.m<\/a>. in a California federal district court, with implications for the country as Trump continues to signal a desire to deploy troops to patrol domestic city streets.<\/p>\n<p>The president has appointed himself chair of a task force on the 2028 Olympic Games in Los Angeles,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.latimes.com\/politics\/story\/2025-08-05\/trump-l-a-2028-olympics-task-force-billion-dollar-security-effort\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">telling reporters<\/a>\u00a0that \u201cwe\u2019ll do anything necessary to keep the Olympics safe, including using our National Guard or military, OK?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Relatedly, the Department of Defense issued a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.140.2.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">new activation order<\/a>\u00a0to deploy troops in California for another 90 days on Aug. 5, California lawyers told the court in a filing. That came two weeks after the Marines\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.pbs.org\/newshour\/nation\/pentagon-withdraws-700-marines-from-los-angeles\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">deployed to Los Angeles left<\/a>\u00a0and a week after the Trump administration\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.ca.gov\/2025\/07\/31\/nearly-all-national-guard-soldiers-in-los-angeles-are-demobilizing-governor-newsom-demands-those-remaining-be-released\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">demobilized most of the National Guard<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>California\u2019s lawyers assert evidence in their briefs, often redacted\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.114.0_1.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">because of a court order<\/a>, that the military took part in law enforcement in violation of 19th Century law called the Posse Comitatus Act. They want a judge to order the Trump administration to permanently <a href=\"https:\/\/oag.ca.gov\/news\/press-releases\/ahead-trial-attorney-general-bonta-lays-out-case-against-trump-administration%E2%80%99s\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">halt those actions<\/a>. The Trump Department of Justice counters that those engagements don\u2019t count as law enforcement, but rather fall under the category of supporting immigration law enforcement agents or protecting federal buildings.<\/p>\n<p>Trump has not invoked the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.brennancenter.org\/our-work\/analysis-opinion\/unpacking-trumps-order-authorizing-domestic-deployment-military\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Insurrection Act<\/a>, a law that would allow the military to engage in\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lawfaremedia.org\/article\/unpacking-the-protective-power\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">law enforcement activity<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How did we get here?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This trial is an extension of the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/justice\/2025\/06\/los-angeles-marines-newsom-lawsuit\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">June lawsuit<\/a>\u00a0that Newsom filed against Trump after the president took over California\u2019s National Guard. Trump did that in response to protests that broke out in the Los Angeles area after immigration law enforcement agents began workforce raids\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/google.com\/search?q=sergio+olmos+calmatters+mexico+bus+stop&amp;rlz=1C5GCEM_enUS1146US1146&amp;oq=sergio+olmos+calmatters+mexico+bus+stop&amp;gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRiPAtIBCTE5MDY1ajBqN6gCALACAA&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">to apprehend individuals<\/a>\u00a0allegedly in the U.S. without proper authorization.<\/p>\n<p>Ultimately, about 4,000 troops from the California National Guard and 700 U.S. Marines were deployed to Los Angeles.<\/p>\n<p>That month marked a new nadir in the relations between Newsom and Trump. The governor likened the president to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.ca.gov\/2025\/06\/10\/governor-newsoms-address-to-california-democracy-at-a-crossroads\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">failed dictators.<\/a>\u00a0Trump\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zeJCrSyEMyk\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">endorsed the idea of arresting Newsom<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Charles Breyer, the judge in Monday\u2019s case and oversaw the June hearings, initially sided with Newsom, ordering that Trump return the National Guard to the governor. A three-judge panel on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/justice\/2025\/06\/9th-circuit-los-angeles-national-guard\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">blocked that move<\/a>. They found that the Trump administration legitimately called up troops to protect federal buildings and federal employees\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.116.0.pdf#page=3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">from some protesters<\/a>\u00a0who tossed chunks of concrete and used trash dumpsters as battering rams.\u00a0California lawyers said the troops\u2019 presence inflamed the protests.<\/p>\n<p>The June protests lasted about a week and were largely isolated to a handful of city blocks in the downtown area; Los Angeles is roughly 500 square miles.<\/p>\n<p>Breyer then allowed California\u2019s lawyers\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.101.0_1.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">to depose Trump officials<\/a>\u00a0and gather documents to argue California\u2019s case that the Trump administration was violating the law barring the military from acting as a police force. Trump\u2019s Department of Justice lawyers\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.137.0_1.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">tried to cancel the trial but failed<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What is California\u2019s latest allegation?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>That Los Angeles residents were \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.127.0.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">subjected to a form of military occupation<\/a>\u201d as federal troops worked alongside federal immigration agents, \u201coften indistinguishable from each other.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The lawyers\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.140.0.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">say that<\/a>\u00a0\u201cnever before, in the history of the Nation, has the federal government utilized the military for domestic law enforcement in this manner.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Trump administration\u2019s \u201cinsistence that perimeters, blockades, and other security functions are permissible makes clear they will continue to engage in these activities,\u201d California lawyers with the state attorney general\u2019s office\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.140.0.pdf#page=19\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">wrote to Breyer<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The lawyers argued that if military forces can accompany U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in their raids and arrests, as had been unfolding in Los Angeles, \u201cthere would be no logical basis to preclude members of the Armed Forces from accompanying other law enforcement agents when performing their duties,\u201d\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.127.0.pdf#page=20\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the California lawyers wrote<\/a>. Military personnel could accompany federal food safety inspectors, medical fraud investigators or accompany federal voting rights officials to \u201cmonitor\u201d election polling places, they wrote.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What are California\u2019s examples of the military acting as police?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Attorneys representing the state pointed to several instances in which they allege troops went too far and violated the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which limits the use of the military in civilian settings:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>California attorneys deposed an Immigration and Customs Enforcement field director\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/127-2.pdf#page=16\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">who said<\/a>\u00a0National Guard soldiers accompanied immigration officers on as many as 75% of their missions.<\/li>\n<li>Troops accompanied a federal agency during a \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.127.0.pdf#page=6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\">law enforcement operation<\/a>\u201d at a cannabis facility in Riverside County and formed a security perimeter that prevented people from leaving the site.<\/li>\n<li>Troops allegedly\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.127.0.pdf#page=7\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">formed security perimeters<\/a>\u00a0on July 7 during a demonstration at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles during raids at cannabis farms in Ventura County.<\/li>\n<li>In\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.127.0.pdf#page=7\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">two incidents<\/a>, military service members detained civilians, the California lawyers wrote. One took place in Carpinteria in Santa Barbara County, where National Guard troops allegedly \u201capprehended\u201d a protester. In the other, a Marine on June 13 allegedly detained someone at the Wilshire Federal Building in Los Angeles.<\/li>\n<li>California attorneys collected testimony from the deputy chief of staff of the military unit in Los Angeles who said the National Guard\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.150.0.pdf#page=4\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">is subject<\/a>\u00a0to Posse Comitatus and cannot engage in civilian law enforcement.<\/li>\n<li>The attorneys point to military-issued guidance that \u201cdirectly providing \u2018security functions\u2019 for civilian law enforcement agents is a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act,\u201d\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.127.0.pdf#page=12\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">per their summary<\/a>. But, the lawyers note, the military unit in L.A. was ordered to \u201cactively provide security during civil law enforcement operations on a near-continuous basis since the deployment began,\u201d the California lawyers wrote.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>How does the federal government respond?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.136.0.pdf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The federal government says<\/a>\u00a0California is wrong for four reasons. Some are disputes over technical court procedure and some disputing the facts California\u2019s legal team is presenting.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Federal lawyers wrote that Posse Comitatus is\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.136.0.pdf#page=7\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">a criminal statute<\/a>, which cannot be used in a civil case, and the lawsuit is civil, not criminal.<\/li>\n<li>They dispute that the president or the Department of Defense exceeded its authority in ordering the troops to assist federal immigration law enforcement in apprehensions. \u201cAs Supreme Court precedent makes clear, the (Posse Comitatus Act) does not prohibit the President from using troops to protect federal personnel and property,\u201d the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.136.0.pdf#page=8\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Trump administration lawyers wrote<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>The federal lawyers also say California has\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.136.0.pdf#page=17\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">no standing to sue<\/a>. (California\u2019s attorneys\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.140.0.pdf#page=12\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">dispute this<\/a>.)<\/li>\n<li>Fourth, the lawyers say that the National Guard can act as a police force because the law Trump cited to federalize them\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.136.0.pdf#page=8\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">permits the National Guard<\/a>\u00a0to \u201cexecute the laws of the United States\u201d if the president is unable to do that with \u201cregular forces,\u201d which at minimum\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.136.0.pdf#page=19\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">means enforcing<\/a>\u00a0\u201cfederal immigration laws as well as laws forbidding interference with federal functions or assaults on federal officers and property,\u201d the federal lawyers wrote.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The lawyers also dispute that the military\u2019s role counts as law enforcement. California\u2019s lawyers say the Marines \u201cbriefly detained\u201d a protester. But the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.84.0.pdf#page=29\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">federal lawyers wrote<\/a>\u00a0that action \u201cwas in protection of federal property (the individual had attempted to enter a restricted area on federal property multiple times) and the Marines turned that individual over to the LAPD minutes later.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And providing a perimeter for federal immigration law enforcement also doesn\u2019t violate Posse Comitatus, because, as a previous federal court found, \u201cPosse Comitatus Act does not apply to federal troops playing \u2018a passive role in civilian enforcement activities,\u2019\u201d\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storage.courtlistener.com\/recap\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934\/gov.uscourts.cand.450934.84.0.pdf#page=29\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the federal lawyers wrote<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What is likely to happen after this trial?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>How Breyer will rule is impossible to forecast. He sided with California already only to have a three-judge panel in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals block his orders.<\/p>\n<p>Nor is the military the main force acting on the Trump administration\u2019s interpretation of immigration law. The Department of Homeland Security has that role through its various agencies, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol.<\/p>\n<p>Those agencies were\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/justice\/2025\/07\/la-immigration-restraining-order\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">temporarily blocked<\/a>\u00a0by a lower district court judge from making apprehensions in Southern California based on race, ethnicity, language, and location or employment. The move sought to block \u201croving\u201d immigration stops in California\u2019s most populous region.<\/p>\n<p>A panel on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld that block. Last week the Trump administration<a href=\"https:\/\/calmatters.org\/justice\/2025\/08\/trump-appeals-ban-on-la-immigration-raids\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u00a0appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States<\/a>\u00a0to lift the lower court\u2019s restraining order.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"This story was originally published by\u00a0CalMatters.\u00a0Sign up\u00a0for their newsletters. 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