{"id":157832,"date":"2025-08-19T07:36:19","date_gmt":"2025-08-19T07:36:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/157832\/"},"modified":"2025-08-19T07:36:19","modified_gmt":"2025-08-19T07:36:19","slug":"our-lady-of-the-lake-students-say-ollu-gave-them-no-viable-options-to-complete-their-degree","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/157832\/","title":{"rendered":"Our Lady of the Lake students say OLLU gave them no viable options to complete their degree"},"content":{"rendered":"

Sign up for\u00a0TPR Today<\/a>, Texas Public Radio’s newsletter that brings our top stories to your inbox each morning.<\/p>\n

Our Lady of the Lake University (OLLU) on San Antonio\u2019s West Side started the fall semester Monday with 19 fewer degree programs than it had in the spring.<\/p>\n

When the university first announced<\/a> it was cutting academic programs in February, officials said the cuts were necessary to offset a budget deficit and secure OLLU\u2019s financial future.<\/p>\n

However, in order to maintain its accreditation, OLLU still has an obligation to ensure students who were already enrolled in the closed programs can complete their degrees.<\/p>\n

But students say that’s not happening at OLLU’s now-defunct Leadership Studies Department.<\/p>\n

\u201cI was told that for the Master’s of Organizational Leadership there were no professors for those classes, and that they will not be offered,\u201d said Roger Antes.<\/p>\n

Ahniyah Perry and Antes are part of a cohort of OLLU graduate students that began studying for a Master of Science in Organizational Leadership (MSOL) in Fall 2024.<\/p>\n

Perry is 21; Antes is 58. They both said they signed up for the program for the same reason: They wanted to study the psychology of leadership and learn how to be a good boss.<\/p>\n

A few weeks into their second semester, they got some surprising news from their professors.<\/p>\n

\u201c[Our professors] said, \u2018We just found out that we’re being let go and that we’re not going to be here after like May.\u2019 And so, not only were the students shocked and unaware of what was going on, but the professors were as well,\u201d Perry explained.<\/p>\n

\"Ahniyah<\/p>\n

Ahniyah Perry, 21, enrolled in Our Lady of the Lake’s dual MSOL and MBA program in Fall 2024.<\/p>\n

That was in early February. A week or so later, OLLU Provost Alan Silva sent them an email confirming what they already knew: Both the graduate and the doctoral leadership studies programs were being cut, and the programs would no longer admit new students.<\/p>\n

\u201cWe recognize that this news may be unexpected and perhaps disappointing, but please know that we will provide the coursework for you to complete your MSOL degree and to graduate from OLLU,\u201d Silva said in the email, which Antes and Perry shared with TPR.<\/p>\n

But, instead of keeping at least a few of the professors on to teach their current students, the university laid them all off at the end of the spring semester and hired a consultant based in the Rio Grande Valley to conduct a teach-out plan.<\/p>\n

In April, the university\u2019s faculty page listed six professors in the Leadership Studies Department. Now, there are none.<\/p>\n

Perry said the transition was rough: \u201cWhat we heard from the program coordinator of the teach-out plan is that we’re taking it semester by semester, so students have no idea what they’re getting into, and apparently, they might not know either.\u201d<\/p>\n

In order to remain an accredited university in good standing, OLLU officials submitted that teach-out plan to their accreditor<\/a>. It\u2019s supposed to ensure students already enrolled in their closed programs are able to complete their degrees with \u201cminimal disruptions or additional costs<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n

But Perry and Antes said they haven\u2019t been given any good options to complete their degree.<\/p>\n

Instead of offering the leadership courses in their original degree plan, emails they shared with TPR showed they\u2019re being directed to take courses in the Master of Business Administration program instead.<\/p>\n

Antes already has an MBA. He was enrolled in the university\u2019s MSOL to PhD program, which university materials said would prepare students to be a \u201csophisticated leader ready to assume executive-level responsibility\u201d in a range of fields from business to education and health care.<\/p>\n

\"Roger<\/p>\n

Roger Antes enrolled in OLLU’s MSOL to PhD program in Fall 2024.<\/p>\n

Even if OLLU gives him an MSOL degree for MBA classes, to Antes, it\u2019s the principle of the matter. He said he wants to learn what he signed up to learn, and he thinks the degree conferred should match the lessons taught.<\/p>\n

\u201cIf you’re getting a certificate to rotate tires, and they teach you how to work on engines \u2026 and you get out there in the world and you know nothing. You don’t even know the basic language. What good are you doing?” he said. \u201cWhy are you even paying the amount of money that we pay for these classes? What are they actually teaching and yet still giving out this degree without the proper teachings?\u201d<\/p>\n

Perry was enrolled in a dual master\u2019s program in order to earn both a master’s in organizational leadership and an MBA. But all of the courses she\u2019s taken so far are for the MSOL, and she doesn\u2019t think it\u2019s right to switch one degree for the other.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt’s academically redundant. Where’s that extra tuition money going?\u201d Perry said. \u201cI’m paying for two different degrees, but it’s only one academic effort.\u201d<\/p>\n

Perry and Antes were also offered the option of taking online classes from the Nonprofit Management program. But it would have cost them $1,500 more per class than the students already enrolled in that track paid.<\/p>\n

\u201cThat raised many alarm bells because you only have two options, and both of them disregard the student, and if you think about it, benefit the university,\u201d Perry said.<\/p>\n

\"A<\/p>\n

A screenshot of an email Ahniyah Perry sent to the OLLU teach-out coordinator in July seeking information about classes for the fall semester.<\/p>\n

\"A<\/p>\n

A screenshot of the OLLU teach-out coordinator replying to Ahniyah’s July email about registering for fall.<\/p>\n

Our Lady of the Lake University declined TPR’s multiple requests for interviews with a member of its leadership to respond to the students\u2019 concerns.<\/p>\n

TPR was able to speak to Teresa Ni\u00f1o, the university\u2019s new vice president of marketing and communications. TPR asked her to respond to the students\u2019 allegations that their teach-out plan was unfair and insufficient. <\/p>\n

Specifically, TPR asked why OLLU didn\u2019t keep any professors on to teach its remaining students, why OLLU was substituting MSOL courses with MBA courses, and why MSOL students were charged a higher rate than nonprofit management students for nonprofit management courses.<\/p>\n

But Ni\u00f1o has only been on the job a month and didn\u2019t have any answers. Instead, she wrote down TPR\u2019s questions and said she\u2019d relay them to the provost.<\/p>\n

The following business day, she sent this statement from OLLU\u2019s leadership:<\/p>\n

\u201cAs the nation faces challenges with higher education, Our Lady of the Lake University (OLLU) earlier this year took steps towards a strategic realignment that helped the institution with its fiscal responsibility while still offering students a bright and productive future.<\/p>\n

Approximately fifteen programs declining in enrollment were discontinued,\u00a0but with the 100% commitment that students enrolled in those programs\/courses would be able to complete their coursework and graduate.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

In accordance with our accreditation agency, Teach Out plans were developed, and every Student Advisor was tasked with communicating the options with the impacted students and develop a plan going forward. The specialized and individualized attention paid to our students makes it unnecessary to involve other colleges and\/or universities to take our students, however, students always have the option of transferring to another college and\/or university while in good standing.\u201d<\/p>\n

When TPR followed up to try to get a response to the specific concerns raised by Perry and Antes, Ni\u00f1o confirmed that OLLU\u2019s leadership was declining the interview request. \u201cWe continue to be available and accessible to the students you reference but we will not engage in resolving their issues through the media,\u201d Ni\u00f1o said in the email.<\/p>\n

But the students said they only contacted TPR because they felt they had exhausted all options with the university.<\/p>\n

\u201cI think that the university is taking advantage of students and is hoping nobody stands up, and is hoping nobody says something,\u201d Perry said. \u201cI’m going to find a resolution, and if the university doesn’t want to cooperate, then I’ll have to use external resources in order to find a solution. But the university will be held accountable, at least in my case, specifically, and I know that there are other students out there who felt quiet or like they couldn’t speak up or there was nothing they can do.\u201d<\/p>\n

Perry and Antes said they can\u2019t transfer to another university without losing a year of their time and thousands of dollars. They haven\u2019t been able to find a similar program at another school that would accept all of their classes.<\/p>\n

Part of their frustration with OLLU is what they see as a lack of transparency and communication. Antes said if he could just see a complete, written out teach-out plan, he could at least make an informed decision.<\/p>\n

\u201cI am just stonewalled,\u201d Antes said. \u201cI’ve asked directly: \u2018What classes will I be taking? What kind of plan do you have in store for me for me to finish my degree?\u2019 And I do not get a response.\u201d<\/p>\n

Perry took things a step further. She pushed for a meeting with the provost as a last attempt to work things out.<\/p>\n

In a recording she provided to TPR, Alan Silva once again tried to suggest she transfer into OLLU\u2019s MBA program. When Perry rejected that option, the only option she had left was to withdraw. \u201cI always hate to lose a student. Really hate that, but I understand that if this is not working for you. \u2026What I think I’m hearing is that you would like reimbursement for the courses that you’ve taken,\u201d Silva said in the recording.<\/p>\n

\u201cYes, at this point,\u201d Perry replied.<\/p>\n

Ahniyah Perry and her father Nathaniel Perry left the meeting thinking they\u2019d get a refund. But then Silva emailed them saying they couldn\u2019t provide a refund because Perry took the classes she paid for.<\/p>\n

\u201cWhen we left, it was like, \u2018Yes.\u2019 You know? \u2018Your demands: I’m going to speak with finance. It’s going to happen.\u2019 We get home that day, we get an email. \u2018It can’t happen.\u2019 Little weird,\u201d Nathaniel Perry said.<\/p>\n

TPR asked Silva and the university to respond to the recording, but OLLU declined.<\/p>\n

Ahniyah Perry said she did not sign up for four classes \u2014 she signed up for a degree that no longer exists. \u201cThat’s a breach of contract,\u201d Perry added. \u201cI signed up for a program and you’re not delivering on it, and you’re saying, \u2018Oh, well, you know, you bought the car, but you got the tires. So, you know, you’re good.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n

Nathaniel Perry said, to him, there\u2019s a clear irony here: his daughter is trying to study how to be a good leader, and the university is modeling the opposite. \u201cThis is terrible that somebody trying to teach organizational structure could operate like this,\u201d he added.<\/p>\n

Ahniyah Perry filed a complaint with OLLU\u2019s accreditor and is looking into her legal options. Antes filed a complaint with the university. They said they may be one of only a few speaking up, but they\u2019re not the only ones being hurt.<\/p>\n

According to a former professor in OLLU\u2019s business school, the Leadership Studies program alone had more than 150 students enrolled, with 130 students in the doctoral program and about 30 in the master’s program.<\/p>\n

Other than Perry and Antes, students and faculty would only speak to TPR on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retaliation.<\/p>\n

The former professor said 80 of the 130 PhD students were in the dissertation phase, meaning they’d already completed 69 hours of course work and spent more than $70,000 in tuition. All they have left of the 73 hour degree program is to write their dissertation and defend it, a process that takes a lot of one-on-one interaction with your dissertation chair.<\/p>\n

\u201cWe were just left in limbo [after our professors were laid off],\u201d one Leadership Studies student in the dissertation phase told TPR. \u201cThey just contracted people to take their places, but I’m not sure they did a great job at vetting these people.\u201d<\/p>\n

The woman OLLU hired to conduct the Leadership Studies teach-out is a former Leadership Studies professor who has a consulting business in the Rio Grande Valley.<\/p>\n

The student said the consultant assigned doctoral students to her employees to work as their new dissertation chairs. But because most of the students are in San Antonio and the consultant company is in the Valley, the students haven\u2019t been able to meet in person with their new chairs, and all of the classes have been asynchronous.<\/p>\n

\u201cThey all have jobs, so this was a kind of a part-time gig for them,\u201d the doctoral student said.<\/p>\n

The student also said their new chair does not have the expertise in statistics needed to help them show that their research is statistically significant.<\/p>\n

According to the university, degree programs were discontinued because enrollment in those programs were declining, but the former professor questioned whether that was true for Leadership Studies. They said it seemed like Leadership Studies was chosen because most of its professors were senior, tenured faculty with higher salaries, not because the program wasn\u2019t profitable.<\/p>\n

Even though the professors were tenured, the former professor said OLLU leaders laid them off anyway by pointing to a phrase in the faculty handbook that said tenure could be disregarded if the university was at risk of financial exigency.<\/p>\n

For the Perry family, speaking up is about making sure university leaders know the personal cost of their decisions.<\/p>\n

Ahniyah\u2019s mother underwent a kidney transplant during Ahniyah\u2019s first year at OLLU, and they chose to pay tuition out-of-pocket with money that could have gone to medical expenses instead.<\/p>\n

\u201cI was even willing to not take classes, to not go to school, to be there and to help her,\u201d Ahniyah Perry said. \u201cAnd she said, \u2018No, this is where the priority is. This is where you need to be.\u2019 And so, it’s been a sacrifice, and not just money, but time and effort and attention.\u201d<\/p>\n

For Nathaniel Perry, it\u2019s also about making sure the university does right by its students. To him, it seems like the university is protecting itself at students\u2019 expense.<\/p>\n

\u201cIf it’s my entity and my company, I always take the first hit, meaning that my people are going to get paid before me,\u201d Nathaniel Perry said. \u201cIf you make an error, you stand up \u2026 and say, \u2018You know what? We\u2019ve got to correct this thing.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n

Disclosure<\/b>: Our Lady of the Lake University is a TPR sponsor. We cover them like we would any other institution.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Sign up for\u00a0TPR Today, Texas Public Radio’s newsletter that brings our top stories to your inbox each morning.…\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":157833,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5133],"tags":[5229,7202,7203,358,3187,67,586,132,5230,68,2969],"class_list":{"0":"post-157832","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-san-antonio","8":"tag-america","9":"tag-san-antonio","10":"tag-sanantonio","11":"tag-texas","12":"tag-tx","13":"tag-united-states","14":"tag-united-states-of-america","15":"tag-unitedstates","16":"tag-unitedstatesofamerica","17":"tag-us","18":"tag-usa"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@us\/115054286238258815","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/157832","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=157832"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/157832\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/157833"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=157832"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=157832"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=157832"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}