{"id":185119,"date":"2025-08-29T17:22:13","date_gmt":"2025-08-29T17:22:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/185119\/"},"modified":"2025-08-29T17:22:13","modified_gmt":"2025-08-29T17:22:13","slug":"inside-the-gritty-hidden-nyc-music-mecca-where-madonna-and-the-strokes-found-their-sound-and-where-musicians-are-still-vying-for-a-room-to-rehearse","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/185119\/","title":{"rendered":"Inside the gritty, hidden NYC music mecca where Madonna and The Strokes found their sound \u2014 and where musicians are still vying for a room to rehearse"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Times Square\u2019s hidden music mecca is still hitting all the right notes. <\/p>\n<p>Long before soulless glass towers and blinding LED billboards reshaped one of NYC\u2019s most notorious neighborhoods, some of pop culture\u2019s biggest names strutted, sang and even slept in the halls of <a href=\"https:\/\/musicbuilding.com\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The Music Building<\/a> \u2014\u00a0one in scores of recording studios around the Crossroads of The World responsible for pleasuring the world aurally over a period of decades. <\/p>\n<p>This one not only survived decades of gentrification \u2014\u00a0it\u2019s still thriving. <\/p>\n<p>Hidden behind a nondescript gray metal door at 584 Eighth Ave. between 38th and 39th streets, amps are still cranked, drums pound, and the spirit of rock and roll never dies.<\/p>\n<p>Behind a plain gray door on Eighth Ave., the amps still roar, the drums still pound \u2014 and rock \u2018n\u2019 roll refuses to die Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>The Music Building\u2019s 12 floors of graffiti-covered halls didn\u2019t just survive decades of gentrification \u2014 they\u2019re still rocking. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>Today, young musicians and up-and-coming bands continue to fight for space at the legendary stronghold.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s an essential piece of NYC music history,\u201d longtime tenant Chris \u201cTomato\u201d Harfenist, lead singer and drummer of early aughts alt-rock group Sound of Urchin, told The Post. \u201cThis building is the last bit of real rock that is still functioning in Manhattan.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The next generation of rockers is still fighting for space in the storied rock fortress (above), located at 584 Eighth Ave. between 38th and 39th streets. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>Madonna once lived and rehearsed there in room 604 \u2014 without hot water.<\/p>\n<p>Billy Idol wrote what became \u201cRebel Yell\u201d and \u201cWhite Wedding\u201d in studios 1001 and 1006, and The Strokes cut their teeth in cramped spaces like 404.<\/p>\n<p>Just steps from the scuzz of the Port Authority Bus Terminal, the graffiti-splashed Music Building has sheltered generations of dreamers since 1979 \u2014 outlasting one-time area icons like the Record Plant (321 W. 44th St.) and Brill Building (1619 Broadway), now bland office blocks commuters hurry past daily, rarely if ever appreciating the importance to rock history.<\/p>\n<p>Longtime tenant Chris \u201cTomato&#8217;\u201d Harfenist launched Tomato\u2019s House of Rock (THOR) inside the building \u2014 and even jammed there with Moby and members of Ween. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>The lobby is plastered with glossy band stickers and tabloid-esque flyers. Its lone, nonworking pay phone \u2014 also decked out in colorful stickers \u2014 stands as a shrine to the past.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cEvery musician from the \u201980s and \u201990s remembers this famous phone,\u201d Roget Lerner, the building\u2019s president and chief catalyst, told The Post.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019ll never get rid of it \u2014 Madonna used it, and recently her drummer Stephen Bray and [Oscar-nominated] composer Carter Burwell stopped by and said, \u2018The phone booth is still here!\u2019 Back then, everyone used it to plan their gigs.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A 12-story maze of 69 rehearsal studios, the building is packed with musicians who often bunk together to keep rent cheap \u2014 and once they move their gear in, they stick around, only leaving after three to five years on average.<\/p>\n<p>The building\u2019s only pay phone doesn\u2019t work, but covered in stickers, it\u2019s a pure rock \u2019n\u2019 roll relic. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe get inquiries every week, and we generally run 95% to 99% occupied,\u201d Lerner said of the high demand for space. <\/p>\n<p>A sister site in Jamaica, Queens, home to Metallica, Anthrax, Run-DMC and LL Cool J, burned down in 1996. <\/p>\n<p>He\u2019s now expanding to Chicago with a 115-studio spot he scooped up last year.<\/p>\n<p>Roget Lerner, the man keeping his dad\u2019s dream alive, vows the pay phone isn\u2019t going anywhere \u2014 too many rockers still love it. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>Live and Lerner<\/p>\n<p>Roget\u2019s late landlord father, Jack Lerner, passed in 2024. He was known for his big smile, cowboy hat and supportive, music-loving spirit.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe tenants all loved him \u2014 I always joke he was probably the only NYC landlord whose tenants came to pay their respects after he passed,\u201d Roget said.<\/p>\n<p>Jack acquired the building in 1979 to create a 24\/7 space where musicians could rehearse, store gear, and make noise without restrictions.<\/p>\n<p>Inside the 12-floor labyrinth of 69 studios, musicians bunk up and split costs to survive in the city that never sleeps. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>Since then, Patti Smith, Joey Ramone, Carlos Santana, Cyndi Lauper, Mick Jagger, Andy Warhol, Lenny Kravitz, and members of Interpol and The Fleshtones have walked the halls, heading to their own studios or dropping by a friend\u2019s jam. <\/p>\n<p>Spaces rent for $1,800to $2,500 a month, with many tenants sharing or subletting rooms as mini-studios, sometimes cycling five bands through a single space.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBring as many people as you want, as long as everyone\u2019s making music,\u201d Lerner said of the flexibility that has helped launch careers. <\/p>\n<p>Room 604 once housed punk-rock Madonna, long before pop superstardom. Getty Images<\/p>\n<p>While Lerner has kept his father\u2019s legacy alive, he has one particular rule.<\/p>\n<p>Don\u2019t live like Madonna.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere\u2019s no hot water here. This place is for making music, not moving in,\u201d he joked. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cOnce you walk in, you\u2019re just here to jam, and that safe space keeps many alumni coming back,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>Echoland Studios, run by Peter \u201cPiano Pete\u201d Favilla and Ryan Zieminski, is one of the building\u2019s revamped spots where musicians rehearse, record and take lessons. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>Maintaining the CBGB spirit <\/p>\n<p>Veterans share floors with newcomers, indie bands with jazz players, and the halls still buzz around the clock with every genre \u2014 but the rebel spirit endures.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis building reminds me so much of CBGB, but you can\u2019t go there anymore,\u201d rocker Harfenist said of the legendary club <a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2006\/10\/16\/cbgoodbye-club-closes-after-final-riffs\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">that closed nearly 20 years ago<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Few understand that better than John Conte, the bassist, guitarist and half of the Conte Brothers, who, with his brother Steve \u2014 a six-year member of the legendary New York Dolls \u2014 spent decades shaping NYC rock.<\/p>\n<p>As tenants for over 30 years, they watched the building \u201cunapologetically holding its ground,\u201d John said, even as Midtown \u201cgentrified around it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Steve Conte (right) of The New York Dolls told The Post that the building is an \u201coasis in Midtown.\u201d Getty Images<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a crucial hub, he said, for composers, songwriters, producers, recording studios and music teachers.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe Music Building has been the only place to bang out a loud rock rehearsal in the city for as long as I can remember,\u201d Steve Conte shared. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI would bet that without this place, many of the struggling bands to come out of NYC might\u2019ve never happened.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe Music Building made it feasible for musicians to have a band, with a place to rehearse and work out their songs, shows, whatever, without looking at the clock,\u201d Steve Conte told The Post. FilmMagic<\/p>\n<p>Even an elevator ride from the lobby to floor 12 can sound like an \u201cold FM dial,\u201d John said, \u201cwith each floor pumping out a different musical genre.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And while veterans like the Contes gave the building its backbone, it was the next generation \u2014 scrappy upstarts like The Strokes \u2014 who gave it its edge.<\/p>\n<p>The Strokes used to jam in room 404 \u2014 and all over the ninth floor as they bounced from room to room, Lerner recalled. Fairfax Media via Getty Images<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey were always causing trouble. I had to yell at them sometimes, but I loved them,\u201d said Aziz Ahmed, the building\u2019s super since 1994, of The Strokes, the rambunctious garage rockers who started in room 404.<\/p>\n<p>Lerner added that \u201cevery musician who\u2019s ever been in the building\u201d knows Ahmed \u2014 the Strokes\u2019 favorite sparring partner.<\/p>\n<p>A must for serious musicians<\/p>\n<p>Aziz Ahmed, the building\u2019s super since 1994, was loved by The Strokes in the 2000s, back when they were the building\u2019s known rowdy garage rock crew \u2014 and he\u2019s still running the freight elevator. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>The building \u201callows you 24-hour access to your creative space and gear in midtown Manhattan, which is not easy to find,\u201d John Conte said of the \u201cmagical place to work and create.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In the decades he and his brother have utilized the building, \u201cit has retained the same no-frills charm it had when I first encountered it,\u201d John said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWith the attempts at gentrification in that neighborhood that began over 30 years ago and still continue, many of us feel that The Music Building is sort of the last bastion of \u2018Down &amp; Dirty New York,&#8217;\u201d he continued. <\/p>\n<p>Lerner said the city has changed \u201ca lot over 50 years,\u201d recalling how Rudy Giuliani\u2019s mayoral era noise regulations (1994 to 2001) targeted nightlife venues.<\/p>\n<p>While there was some pressure on the building, he said officials ultimately decided to \u201clet The Music Building be\u201d since it was a well-known hub where \u201cmusicians have to make music.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Even after decades of use, the building hasn\u2019t lost a bit of the bare-bones charm that first hooked the Conte Brothers. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>How the next generations keep punk alive<\/p>\n<p>John Conte has heard fellow tenants creating \u201crock n\u2019 roll, reggae, jazz, soul, hardcore, metal, punk, rap, hip-hop, ambient experimental music\u201d \u2014 and \u201ceven wedding bands practicing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But the place oozes what it \u201cmeans to be punk,\u201d no matter the sound, Ziarra, a \u201cpoetic punk\u201d singer who moved her gear into the building in 2022, told The Post.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPunk isn\u2019t dead. It\u2019s not just a genre of music \u2014 it\u2019s a lifestyle and mentality,\u201d said the millennial, who recorded her 2025 album, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/music.apple.com\/ca\/album\/human-form\/1802856707\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Human Form<\/a>,\u201d on the 10th floor.<\/p>\n<p>Mario Castro (left) and Ziarra (right) record, rehearse and jam out in their studio on the 10th floor, steps away from the room Billy Idol used to play in. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI love knowing that Madonna started out in this building. She\u2019s especially inspiring to me because of her origins as a punk artist before she evolved into pop,\u201d Ziarra continued. <\/p>\n<p>With many iconic NYC music spots gone, her generation and younger ones now \u201chave to help create new venues \u2014 and celebrate this building,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p>Her inspiration, the \u201cQueen of Pop,\u201d signed the building\u2019s 12th-floor wall in 1998 to mark her early \u201980s days in short-lived bands like Breakfast Club and Emmy &amp; the Emmys, a legacy \u201cetched in NYC history.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPunk artists like her helped shape the city\u2019s sound \u2014 and by playing here, we\u2019re part of it too.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>While revisiting The Music Building in 1998, Madonna signed the 12th-floor wall to commemorate her history and early career days there. Brian Zak\/NY Post<\/p>\n<p>Ziarra\u2019s keyboardist and saxophonist, Mario Castro, called writing music there a crash course in inspiration \u2014 from Eighth Avenue\u2019s many honks to heavy metal upstairs and classical piano below.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBeing able to hear other musicians playing around you and absorb that energy really shapes how we approach our recordings.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He\u2019s also struck by the building\u2019s history. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s amazing that Billy Idol made music on the same floor we play on now. We were so lucky to get a room here. We love Manhattan, its noise and this incredible history,\u201d Castro told The Post.<\/p>\n<p>Tenants often talk about the building\u2019s magic \u2014 and how you never know which musicians, famous or under-the-radar, might pop in. <\/p>\n<p>Billy Idol cooked up hits like \u201cDead on Arrival,\u201d \u201cRebel Yell\u201d and \u201cWhite Wedding\u201d in studios 1001 and 1006. Getty Images<\/p>\n<p>Case in point: to Castro\u2019s surprise, Billy Idol showed up on the 10th floor on a random Tuesday while The Post was there. <\/p>\n<p>He signed the wall by the rooms he and guitarist Steve Stevens once rehearsed in \u2014 1001 and 1006 \u2014leaving Castro and Ziarra starstruck as he reminisced about his early days in the building and met the next generation of punk rockers.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere\u2019s a mix of different timelines all crossing paths,\u201d Ziarra told The Post. \u201cYou never know what\u2019s happening in each studio, and that\u2019s what makes it so cool.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Times Square\u2019s hidden music mecca is still hitting all the right notes. 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