{"id":234207,"date":"2025-09-17T16:19:14","date_gmt":"2025-09-17T16:19:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/234207\/"},"modified":"2025-09-17T16:19:14","modified_gmt":"2025-09-17T16:19:14","slug":"frontier-ceo-fires-back-at-united-ceos-criticism-of-discount-airlines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/234207\/","title":{"rendered":"Frontier CEO fires back at United CEO&#8217;s criticism of discount airlines"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>President and CEO of Frontier Airlines, Barry Biffle attends The Future of Everything presented by the Wall Street Journal at Spring Studios on May 17, 2022, in New York City.<\/p>\n<p>Steven Ferdman | Getty Images Entertainment | Getty Images<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/quotes\/ULCC\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Frontier Airlines<\/a> CEO Barry Biffle fired back at his counterpart at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/quotes\/ULCC\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">United Airlines<\/a> who said the deep discount model in the U.S. is dead.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s cute,&#8221; Biffle said Wednesday at the Skift Global Forum, a travel conference in New York. &#8220;If he&#8217;s good at math he would understand that we have a [flight] oversupply issue in the United States.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Biffle&#8217;s comments were a response to United CEO Scott Kirby, who <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2025\/09\/11\/united-ceo-predicts-struggling-spirit-airlines-will-go-out-of-business.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">said last week<\/a> at an airline conference in Long Beach, California, that he thought the largest U.S. discounter, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2025\/09\/04\/spirit-airlines-cuts-flights-in-12-cities-as-united-rivals-circle.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spirit Airlines<\/a>, would go out of business. Spirit in August entered its <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2025\/08\/29\/spirit-airlines-chapter-11-bankruptcy.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">second bankruptcy<\/a> in less than a year after failing to find sturdy financial footing.<\/p>\n<p>When Kirby was asked why he thought Spirit would shut down, he responded, &#8220;Because I&#8217;m good at math.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Kirby added that if Biffle wants Frontier to be the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2025\/08\/26\/frontier-routes-spirit-airlines.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">largest<\/a> of the U.S. discount carriers, then he&#8217;s going to be the &#8220;last man standing on a sinking ship.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Read more CNBC airline news<\/p>\n<p>Biffle pointed to his airline&#8217;s lower unit costs \u2014 $7.50 per available seat mile, excluding fuel, compared with far larger United&#8217;s $12.36 per available seat mile in the second quarter \u2014 and said the budget carrier caters to customers who might not be flying at all, as well as those who want a cheap flight but are splurging on other things when traveling, like luxury hotels.<\/p>\n<p>When asked Wednesday about whether Frontier relies on extra capacity left on the table by United, Biffle replied: &#8220;That&#8217;s like the CEO of Nordstrom saying &#8216;I allow customers to buy jeans from Walmart.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Both Frontier and United, along with other airlines like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/quotes\/JBLU\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">JetBlue Airways<\/a>, have announced that they&#8217;re adding new flights on major Spirit routes to win over its customers as it struggles.<\/p>\n<p>Ultra-low cost airlines have struggled from a jump in costs after the pandemic, an oversupply of domestic U.S. flights that have pushed down fares, and competition from larger airlines that offer both no-frills basic economy tickets and global networks to burn frequent flyer models on.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Customers care about value, and they don&#8217;t get value on a [ultra-low-cost carrier],&#8221; Kirby told CNBC on Tuesday.<\/p>\n<p>Those budget airlines long relied on rock-bottom fares and fees for everything else from seat assignments to cabin baggage, a model large network airlines have copied with their basic economy tickets. Now, Spirit, Frontier and others are looking to offer <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2025\/05\/13\/spirit-airlines-extra-legroom-seats.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">more upscale offerings<\/a> and bundles that include things they used to charge for.<\/p>\n<p>Frontier swung to a $70 million net loss in the second quarter but forecast unit revenue growth in the mid-to-high single digits in the third, and to &#8220;provide a solid foundation for profitability in 2026.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"President and CEO of Frontier Airlines, Barry Biffle attends The Future of Everything presented by the Wall Street&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":234208,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[166,10314,125962,9167,64,81,100485,87252,2252,63736,522,1164,10316,67,132,68],"class_list":{"0":"post-234207","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-business","8":"tag-aerospace-and-defense-industry","9":"tag-airlines","10":"tag-barry-biffle","11":"tag-breaking-news-business","12":"tag-business","13":"tag-business-news","14":"tag-frontier-group-holdings-inc","15":"tag-jetblue-airways-corp","16":"tag-life","17":"tag-scott-kirby","18":"tag-transportation","19":"tag-travel","20":"tag-united-airlines-holdings-inc","21":"tag-united-states","22":"tag-unitedstates","23":"tag-us"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/234207","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=234207"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/234207\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/234208"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=234207"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=234207"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=234207"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}