{"id":268953,"date":"2025-10-01T10:43:11","date_gmt":"2025-10-01T10:43:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/268953\/"},"modified":"2025-10-01T10:43:11","modified_gmt":"2025-10-01T10:43:11","slug":"as-cubs-return-to-the-playoffs-david-ross-wants-another-shot-as-a-big-league-manager","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/268953\/","title":{"rendered":"As Cubs return to the playoffs, David Ross wants another shot as a big-league manager"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>David Ross fell asleep by 8 p.m. the night before Chicago Cubs president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer showed up at his door to fire him. Ross hardly ever goes to bed that early, but his Sunday had been full. He also had no reason to believe he was about to lose his job as Cubs manager.<\/p>\n<p>When Ross awakened at his home in Tallahassee, Fla., he noticed a bunch of missed calls from Hoyer. He had <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/5038299\/2023\/11\/07\/cubs-david-ross-craig-counsell-manager\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">scheduled a Zoom meeting with his coaches<\/a> for that day, Nov. 6, 2023. He also was in the process of hiring a catching coordinator.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI was busy working,\u201d Ross said. \u201cI was in the middle of it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He called back Hoyer, who asked him, \u201cAre you home?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ross said he replied yes.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, I\u2019m at your front door,\u201d Hoyer said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI was like, \u2018I\u2019m fired,\u2019\u201d Ross recalled.<\/p>\n<p>The Cubs\u2019 dismissal of Ross, coinciding with their signing of Craig Counsell to a record five-year, $40 million contract, was a shocking, humiliating turn for the club\u2019s former backup catcher, who was carried off the field by his teammates after the Cubs won the 2016 World Series.<\/p>\n<p>But two years later, Ross wants to hop right back on the managerial merry-go-round.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBadly,\u201d he said in a telephone interview Tuesday. \u201cIt\u2019s an itch that hasn\u2019t gone away.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ross, 48, said he was not called to interview for one of the managerial openings last offseason, when the Cincinnati Reds, Miami Marlins and Chicago White Sox made changes. This offseason, four jobs (Texas, Minnesota, San Francisco, Los Angeles Angels) already are open. Three more (Baltimore, Washington, Colorado) could become available if those teams decline to retain their interims. At least two others (Atlanta, Houston) also might be in play.<\/p>\n<p>Ross is not the only former manager seeking a new opportunity. Former Miami manager Skip Schumaker is the leading candidate to replace Bruce Bochy in Texas. Rocco Baldelli, fired by the Twins, might get calls. And all four managers fired during the regular season \u2013 Colorado\u2019s Bud Black, Baltimore\u2019s Brandon Hyde, Washington\u2019s Davey Martinez and Pittsburgh\u2019s Derek Shelton \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.usatoday.com\/story\/sports\/mlb\/columnist\/bob-nightengale\/2025\/09\/07\/mlb-fired-managers-hot-seat\/86015122007\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">told USA Today\u2019s Bob Nightengale<\/a> they want another chance.<\/p>\n<p>The Cubs hired Ross after the 2019 season even though he had no previous coaching or managing experience. Ross took over for Joe Maddon, who five years earlier replaced Rick Renteria in a prior example of the Cubs dumping a first-time manager for a more experienced, accomplished hand.<\/p>\n<p>In four seasons, starting with the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign, Ross\u2019 record was 262-284. During that period, though, the Cubs mostly were rebuilding. And in Ross\u2019 final season, the team finished 83-79, staying in contention until the final weekend after falling 10 games under .500 in June.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt didn\u2019t feel like my job was in jeopardy at any time,\u201d Ross said. \u201cIt never even entered my mind.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ross said he still roots for his former Cubs players, Nico Hoerner and Dansby Swanson, Ian Happ and Seiya Suzuki, to name a few. His firing, he said, \u201cgets in my craw once in a while.\u201d When asked if he was upset with Counsell for taking his job, he initially laughed, unsure how to answer.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a good question. I battle it all the time, go back and forth on that,\u201d Ross said. \u201cYou feel like you\u2019re a part of this special fraternity of managers. But he also got offered $8 million (a year) for five years, you know?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe way it went down sucked. I\u2019ve had so many people say the same thing . . . about how I got screwed. I don\u2019t look at it like that. But a lot of people like it a lot less than me. I don\u2019t know where I stand on that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As Ross recalls, Counsell was the first person he called after Hoyer fired him. He said he told Counsell there were a lot of great people in the Cubs\u2019 organization. Counsell thanked him. The conversation, Ross said, lasted perhaps 15 to 20 seconds.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI try to put myself in his shoes and what would I have done? I don\u2019t know that I would have done it like that, if I\u2019m being honest,\u201d Ross said. \u201cBut everybody\u2019s got different ways they look at things. It is what it is. I\u2019m a very big believer in things happen for a reason. God\u2019s got a plan for me in my life. I try to believe in that, hold onto that, trust that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Watching Counsell manage his old team the past two seasons gave Ross fresh perspective. The Cubs finished with the same 83-79 record in Counsell\u2019s first season as they did in Ross\u2019 last. This year, they went 92-70, and on Tuesday they <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/6677658\/2025\/09\/30\/cubs-padres-tigers-guardians-score-results-takeaways-mlb-playoffs\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">defeated the San Diego Padres<\/a>, 3-1, to take a 1-0 lead in the best-of-three wild card series.<\/p>\n<p>Hoyer said the only reason the Cubs fired Ross was because Counsell was available.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDavid felt like he did a good job. I get that. He felt like he was blindsided. He was,\u201d Hoyer said. \u201cI totally understand his emotions about it. I think anyone would have the same feelings.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI really enjoyed working with David. I thought he did a good job,\u201d Hoyer added. \u201cHe certainly was coming back the next year but for the chance we had to get Craig. I felt it was the right thing and something we needed to do. But David is a good manager and absolutely should get another chance given his performance with us.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Looking back, Ross realizes there are certain things he could have done differently \u2013 and probably would do differently in his next job.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI still had a players\u2019 mentality,\u201d said Ross, who became a manager only three years after his final game as a player.\u201dI don\u2019t want to yell and scream at umpires all the time. I probably did that way more than I ever expected. I loved umpires when I was catching.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYou\u2019re trying to fight for players. You\u2019ve got to take some of that emotion out of managing and continue to talk through it with the guys. Fight for your players, but there were some emotions sometimes that got the best of me from a managing standpoint, if I\u2019m being honest.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ross said he also wishes he had worked as hard communicating with the front office as he did with his coaches and players.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI feel like I invested heavily in the players. It was my first time running a coaching staff, managing other grown men. It was a learning curve for me,\u201d Ross said. \u201cI probably should have invested in the relationship with Jed, Carter and those guys more than I probably did.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ross said his relationship with Hoyer and Hawkins was fine, but as a first-time manager his primary focus was, \u201ctrying to put Ws on the board.\u201d He wasn\u2019t as cognizant of the big picture, the rebuilding process taking place.<\/p>\n<p>Every out-of-work manager looking for a new job would prefer to take over a winning team. But most of the time, openings only arise with losing clubs. With the Cubs, Ross came to understand that rebuilding could be fulfilling. He said he is willing to consider any job.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHere\u2019s the way I look at it. Obviously, you want to win. But there\u2019s something rewarding about building,\u201d Ross said. \u201cYou go through some tough times. But that\u2019s part of it. Even when you have a winning team . . . Aaron Boone doesn\u2019t have an easy job. Alex Cora doesn\u2019t have an easy job.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere are tons of great opportunities.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Shortly after Ross was fired, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/5055056\/2023\/11\/11\/yankees-david-ross-coaching-job\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">New York Yankees approached him<\/a> about becoming their bench coach, replacing Carlos Mendoza, who had left to manage the New York Mets. Ross at the time preferred to manage if he was going to jump back into a uniformed position.<\/p>\n<p>Last offseason, Ross said he again had conversations about bench coach positions, but the timing wasn\u2019t right. The oldest of his three children, Landri, was a senior in high school, preparing to play volleyball in college (she attends North Alabama). He had other family considerations. And the terms of his buyout with his Cubs were another complication.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cJust a lot of moving parts,\u201d Ross said. \u201cThe more I thought about it, how valuable being home felt with the year off, I just was not ready to go.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>His feeling now is different. The end of his tenure with the Cubs gnaws it him. He did not get to complete the job.<\/p>\n<p>He has returned to Wrigley only once, in May for a concert featuring Jelly Roll and Post Malone. And as difficult as it was to accept losing his job to Counsell, he understands baseball isn\u2019t always fair. The Cubs fired Ross, yes. But they also gave him a chance he otherwise might not have had.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"instagram-media\" style=\"background: #FFF; border: 0; border-radius: 3px; box-shadow: 0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width: 540px; min-width: 326px; padding: 0; width: calc(100% - 2px);\" data-instgrm-captioned=\"\" data-instgrm-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/DKA9TkktTOk\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" data-instgrm-version=\"14\">\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a weird dynamic. That organization has been amazing to me,\u201d Ross said. \u201cThere\u2019s still frustration there from just how things ended. It just sucks. But it\u2019s a business at the end of the day. I know that.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere are a lot of more positives to talk about with how that organization treated me. That\u2019s where it\u2019s hard to stay mad, when you look back on how many great things happened to me there.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI just have a little bit of emptiness from some unfinished business. I loved going to work every day and grinding with those guys.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And if another club comes calling, he would do it all over again.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">\u2014The Athletic\u2019s Patrick Mooney and Sahadev Sharma contributed to this story.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">(Photo of David Ross in June 2023: Rob Leiter \/ MLB Photos via Getty Images)<\/p>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"David Ross fell asleep by 8 p.m. the night before Chicago Cubs president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":268954,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[41],"tags":[1271,1266,62,67,132,68],"class_list":{"0":"post-268953","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-mlb","8":"tag-chicago-cubs","9":"tag-mlb","10":"tag-sports","11":"tag-united-states","12":"tag-unitedstates","13":"tag-us"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@us\/115298500943468322","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/268953","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=268953"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/268953\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/268954"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=268953"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=268953"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=268953"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}