{"id":279849,"date":"2025-10-05T16:18:13","date_gmt":"2025-10-05T16:18:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/279849\/"},"modified":"2025-10-05T16:18:13","modified_gmt":"2025-10-05T16:18:13","slug":"the-greene-turtles-problems-go-beyond-thirsty-thursday-in-towson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/279849\/","title":{"rendered":"The Greene Turtle\u2019s problems go beyond Thirsty Thursday in Towson"},"content":{"rendered":"<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Geo Concepcion calls himself a turnaround CEO. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">In 2019, he was 34 when <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thebanner.com\/culture\/food-drink\/greene-turtle-towson-closing-thirsty-thursday-5XKQ57BCMNAYHISQNGO62MVSLM\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.thebanner.com\/culture\/food-drink\/greene-turtle-towson-closing-thirsty-thursday-5XKQ57BCMNAYHISQNGO62MVSLM\/\">The Greene Turtle<\/a> hired him to modernize a longtime Maryland sports bar brand struggling with closures and declining sales. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Among Concepcion\u2019s most ambitious undertakings was a $4 million flagship project in downtown Towson that would eventually include a second-floor sportsbook gambling facility. Along with a new branch in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bizjournals.com\/baltimore\/news\/2023\/09\/05\/greene-turtle-opens-canton-sports-betting.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.bizjournals.com\/baltimore\/news\/2023\/09\/05\/greene-turtle-opens-canton-sports-betting.html\">Canton<\/a>, the Towson restaurant was hoped to be a game changer for the Greene Turtle, making the most of Maryland\u2019s recent legalization of sports betting. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Six years later, the Greene Turtle is on the verge of closing the Towson bar amid declining revenue and a public backlash to its <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thebanner.com\/community\/local-news\/thirsty-thursday-towson-crowds-police-crackdown-ETRWKAC5YNGFXMRPIBXTRT4GUY\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.thebanner.com\/community\/local-news\/thirsty-thursday-towson-crowds-police-crackdown-ETRWKAC5YNGFXMRPIBXTRT4GUY\/\">\u201cThirsty Thursday\u201d<\/a> promotions. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">During a liquor board hearing this past week, Concepcion called the Towson restaurant \u201cthe most expensive and shortest-lived project in the Greene Turtle\u2019s 50-year history.\u201d At the same hearing, the liquor board  issued the spot a $1,000 fine and suspended its liquor license Thursdays in October. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/CORYKOWAENBG7HTOJEX7SZSWYE.jpg\" alt=\"Geo Concepcion, CEO of Greene Turtle.\" class=\"\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Geo Concepcion, CEO of Greene Turtle.  (Greene Turtle)<\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Concepcion, who previously worked as chief operating officer of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baltimoresun.com\/2019\/05\/14\/greene-turtle-taps-famous-daves-executive-to-lead-expansion\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.baltimoresun.com\/2019\/05\/14\/greene-turtle-taps-famous-daves-executive-to-lead-expansion\/\">Famous Dave\u2019s,<\/a> has characterized the problems at Towson as an isolated affair for The Greene Turtle, a byproduct of declining foot traffic in the area and hostility from competitors. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">But the Greene Turtle\u2019s issues appear to go beyond its Thirsty Thursday promotions in Towson. The company, which is headquartered in Canton and has 19 locations in Maryland, closed a branch in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wmar2news.com\/news\/region\/carroll-county\/green-turtle-in-westminster-abruptly-shut-its-doors\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.wmar2news.com\/news\/region\/carroll-county\/green-turtle-in-westminster-abruptly-shut-its-doors\">Westminster<\/a> late last month, while another franchise in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baltimoresun.com\/2025\/04\/29\/harford-mall-greene-turtle-set-to-close-wednesday-after-shellabration-party\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.baltimoresun.com\/2025\/04\/29\/harford-mall-greene-turtle-set-to-close-wednesday-after-shellabration-party\/\">Harford Mall<\/a> shuttered earlier this year. Both faced low sales, Concepcion said.<b> <\/b><\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">The company is facing a lawsuit over unpaid rent from its landlord in White Marsh for a location that closed in 2023, with a trial scheduled for this month. Concepcion said the Greene Turtle is negotiating with the White Marsh mall to settle its lease termination. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Earlier this year, the Towson location\u2019s landlord, MFI Realty, filed liens against The Greene Turtle and its parent company, ITA Group Holdings, totaling more than $100,000.<b> <\/b>Concepcion said MFI had imposed various financial penalties in the wake of the Greene Turtle\u2019s Thirsty Thursday promotions and accused the landlord of \u201cpiling on\u201d to the company\u2019s misfortunes. A representative for the commercial real estate brokerage firm did not immediately respond to a request for comment. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">In 2022, Concepcion touted plans for ITA Group Holdings to invest in other local restaurants through its <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bizjournals.com\/baltimore\/news\/2022\/07\/07\/greene-turtle-invest-restaurant-expansion.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.bizjournals.com\/baltimore\/news\/2022\/07\/07\/greene-turtle-invest-restaurant-expansion.html\">Founder Growth Platform<\/a>. That effort has seen mixed success, Concepcion said. Several of those eateries, including Neo Pizza + Taphouse in Towson and RegionAle in Canton, have since shuttered amid weak sales.<\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">More successful was the Greene Turtle\u2019s acquisition of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.franchisetimes.com\/franchise_mergers_and_acquisitions\/greene-turtle-forms-new-founder-focused-holding-company-buys-clark-crew-bbq\/article_115abd90-f95e-11ec-8691-9fec7bdd42ac.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.franchisetimes.com\/franchise_mergers_and_acquisitions\/greene-turtle-forms-new-founder-focused-holding-company-buys-clark-crew-bbq\/article_115abd90-f95e-11ec-8691-9fec7bdd42ac.html\">Oklahoma-based Clark Crew BBQ<\/a> that same year. Concepcion said it has been \u201cthe most successful thing the company has done,\u201d hands down. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">When the Towson restaurant opened in 2022, it was just down the street from the location of a previous Greene Turtle franchise on York Road. But Concepcion said it underperformed from the start, bringing in only $1.8 million in annual revenue \u2014 $300,000 less per year than the location needed to break even. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">The Greene Turtle Towson quietly ended its sportsbook operation in February, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bizjournals.com\/baltimore\/news\/2025\/05\/06\/greene-turtle-sports-bar-bel-air-towson.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.bizjournals.com\/baltimore\/news\/2025\/05\/06\/greene-turtle-sports-bar-bel-air-towson.html\">the Baltimore Business Journal<\/a> reported this year. The Canton location still has a sportsbook, but Concepcion said it, too, has generally underperformed relative to expectations. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Sports betting in general \u201cjust didn\u2019t pan out the way we thought,\u201d Concepcion said, describing it as an issue across the industry. \u201cI think the retail sports component \u2026 for any group who tried it, didn\u2019t really work out as planned.\u201d More gamblers are using their phones to place bets.<\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Making matters worse, Concepcion said, downtown Towson has faced a lack of foot traffic ever since the pandemic. He pointed out that several other eateries have closed in the area within the past year, including <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thebanner.com\/culture\/food-drink\/nacho-mamas-closed-canton-towson-OVMRPF65WRAU3MGZNOAXDP5GUU\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.thebanner.com\/culture\/food-drink\/nacho-mamas-closed-canton-towson-OVMRPF65WRAU3MGZNOAXDP5GUU\/\">Nacho Mama\u2019s, <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wmar2news.com\/local\/on-the-border-mexican-restaurant-closes-in-towson\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.wmar2news.com\/local\/on-the-border-mexican-restaurant-closes-in-towson\">On the Border,<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wmar2news.com\/local\/nandos-towson-restaurant-closing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.wmar2news.com\/local\/nandos-towson-restaurant-closing\">Nando\u2019s Peri-Peri<\/a> and Perennial, from the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thebanner.com\/culture\/food-drink\/perennial-closing-atlas-towson-TI457LSRZRBYJFIGOZPYUQJGMA\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.thebanner.com\/culture\/food-drink\/perennial-closing-atlas-towson-TI457LSRZRBYJFIGOZPYUQJGMA\/\">Atlas Restaurant Group<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Still, many more restaurants have managed to succeed, said Nancy Hafford, executive director of the Towson Chamber of Commerce. \u201cWe have 92 eateries in a one-mile radius,\u201d she said. \u201cThat\u2019s a lot of places.\u201d <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">As The Greene Turtle sought to boost sales in Towson, Concepcion and the restaurant\u2019s operators looked for new sources of revenue to fill the gap. At the suggestion of a general manager, they began partnering with area DJs, who would come in on Thursdays and promote their appearances to their followers. From the restaurant\u2019s perspective, it was a success, Concepcion said. The move drew crowds, and revenue was projected to be $2.4 million for the year. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">But that\u2019s also when things got out of hand, according to Aaron Brave, who owns The Reservoir, a nearby bar. Suddenly, hundreds and even thousands of people were filling the streets of downtown Towson on any given Thursday evening. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">\u201cThirsty Thursdays\u201d have long been an unofficial college night in the area, but Brave said \u201cthe crowds that they gathered were not the type of crowds that Towson is used to having.\u201d On social media, videos showed sidewalks filled with people, with The Greene Turtle the nexus of activity.<\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Ken Leong\u2019s 2AM Project launched in August, just up the street from The Greene Turtle\u2019s York Road eatery. \u201cAll these crowds were just pouring into our restaurant,\u201d he said. \u201cWe were so confused at first.\u201d While his restaurant, which offers late-night eats, saw some benefit, the influx of people didn\u2019t necessarily mean good sales. Many came inside just to use the bathroom. And he was concerned about safety, as people drank and smoked outside. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">After a particularly rowdy Thursday night in August, Baltimore County Police began to flood the area with officers, which drew criticism from community members and others who said the heightened police presence there was shifting resources from the rest of the county. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">While The Greene Turtle increased its private security and took other measures to control crowds, problems continued. After one Thirsty Thursday, a <a href=\"https:\/\/foxbaltimore.com\/news\/local\/officer-struck-by-dirt-bike-in-towson-suspect-faces-firearm-charges\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/foxbaltimore.com\/news\/local\/officer-struck-by-dirt-bike-in-towson-suspect-faces-firearm-charges\">dirt bike rider<\/a> struck a county police officer. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">The Greene Turtle agreed to end its Thursday night promotions, but company heads were horrified as revenue plummeted to a quarter of its usual numbers. TikTokkers documented the slowdown online. On Sept 12, one user posted a video showing a relatively quiet bar with the text: \u201cwhen the drama at greene turtle got so bad no one even shows up anymore.\u201d <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Concepcion said the branch was on track to lose $600,000 per year. It needed to close. \u201cWe write this off as a very expensive lesson learned,\u201d he said. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">As for the broader health of the company, Concepcion said The Greene Turtle remains a \u201cturnaround brand,\u201d but is overall doing better than it was when he took over. He\u2019s optimistic about the future, including a recently opened location in Tampa, Florida, and another branch planned for Oklahoma. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Some Greene Turtle locations elsewhere will shut down, he said, as the company exits long-term leases in places that no longer make sense for the brand.<\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Back in Towson, Leong is concerned about the impact that the sports bar\u2019s closure could have on other businesses in the area, including his own. \u201cWhen a major player like The Greene Turtle exits \u2026 the entire district can feel that ripple,&#8221; he said. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">He thinks the decision to close shows that The Greene Turtle\u2019s business model was too dependent on its Thursday night promotions, without having other revenue streams available. <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Brave accused Concepcion and The Greene Turtle\u2019s operators of capitalizing on the brand\u2019s built-in goodwill in the community. The Greene Turtle got its start in Ocean City in 1976. A friend of the cofounders, Bill Packo, ran the original York Road location for decades before rebranding it as Barley\u2019s Backyard Uptown. But given changes in The Greene Turtle\u2019s current corporate structure, Brave said, it \u201creally isn\u2019t this staple hometown bar that people remember.\u201d <\/p>\n<p data-testid=\"text-container\">Brave, for one, was celebrating news that The Greene Turtle would close its York Road location. Last week, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/DPP_XJWkZuy\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\" title=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/DPP_XJWkZuy\/\">The Reservoir <\/a>hosted a promotion of its own. It offered $10 \u201cshell breaker buckets\u201d of beer for an event that it called, \u201cTowson Taking Back Thursdays.\u201d <\/p>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Geo Concepcion calls himself a turnaround CEO. 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