{"id":353435,"date":"2025-11-03T21:03:17","date_gmt":"2025-11-03T21:03:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/353435\/"},"modified":"2025-11-03T21:03:17","modified_gmt":"2025-11-03T21:03:17","slug":"openai-cofounder-merger-was-on-the-table-after-altmans-firing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/353435\/","title":{"rendered":"OpenAI Cofounder: Merger Was on the Table After Altman&#8217;s Firing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/most-anthropic-teams-coding-with-claude-ai-not-replacing-humans-2025-10\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Anthropic<\/a> explored a potential merger with artificial intelligence rival <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/history-of-openai-company-chatgpt-elon-musk-founded-2022-12\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">OpenAI<\/a> in the immediate aftermath of Sam Altman&#8217;s brief ousting as OpenAI&#8217;s CEO two years ago, newly released court documents reveal.<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/openai-cofounder-ilya-sutskever-ai-graduation-speech-university-of-toronto-2025-6\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Ilya Sutskever<\/a>, an OpenAI cofounder and the company&#8217;s former chief scientist, detailed the merger talks in a recent deposition taken as part of <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/elon-musk-isnt-backing-down-from-fight-with-open-ai-2025-5\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Elon Musk&#8217;s ongoing legal battle with Altman<\/a> and OpenAI related to the firm&#8217;s restructuring.<\/p>\n<p>During Sutskever&#8217;s 10-hour deposition in San Francisco last month, he informed attorneys about a November 2023 proposal for the <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/chatgpt\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">ChatGPT<\/a> maker to join forces with Anthropic. That proposal would have seen Anthropic take over OpenAI&#8217;s leadership, Sutskever said, adding that he was not happy about it.<\/p>\n<p>Representatives for OpenAI and Anthropic did not immediately return Business requests for comment from Business Insider on Monday. An attorney for Sutskever declined to comment.<\/p>\n<p>In his deposition, Sutskever said that after <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/sam-altman-ousted-fired-openai-ceo-chatgpt-maker-2023-11\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">OpenAI&#8217;s board fired Altman<\/a>, there was a call about the possible merger between board members and Anthropic brass, including CEO <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/dario-amodei\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Dario Amodei<\/a> and his sister, Anthropic president Daniela Amodei.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I recall Anthropic expressing their excitement about it and expressing the issue \u2014 the practical challenges that they would have with it,&#8221; Sutskever said during the deposition, according to court documents viewed by Business Insider.<\/p>\n<p>Sutskever, who at the time was on OpenAI&#8217;s board, said in his deposition that he was &#8220;very unhappy&#8221; about the idea of merging operations with Anthropic and &#8220;really did not&#8221; want to see it happen.<\/p>\n<p>He was largely an outlier in that view among the other board members, he said during the interview.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;They were a lot more supportive, yes,&#8221; Sutskever said, adding that then-board member Helen Toner was the &#8220;most supportive&#8221; about the proposal on OpenAI&#8217;s board. &#8220;I think \u2014 at the very least, none were unsupportive.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The merger discussions, which Sutskever said lasted &#8220;extremely briefly,&#8221; ultimately petered out, he said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;My recollection is that there were some practical obstacles that Anthropic has raised, and so the proposal did not continue,&#8221; Sutskever said.<\/p>\n<p>While under questioning by an OpenAI attorney, Sutskever said he did not know what those obstacles were.<\/p>\n<p>Altman, who co-founded OpenAI alongside Sutskever and Musk in 2015, was <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/openai-ousting-sam-altman-big-questions-microsoft-fired-2023-11\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">reinstated as CEO<\/a> days after his ousting.<\/p>\n<p>Sutskever faced questioning during the October 1st deposition by lawyers for OpenAI and Musk.<\/p>\n<p>                      Related stories<\/p>\n<p>                                <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy-image \" viewbox=\"0 0 1 1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/placeholder.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/p>\n<p>                            Business Insider tells the innovative stories you want to know<\/p>\n<p>                                <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy-image \" viewbox=\"0 0 1 1\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/placeholder.png\" alt=\"\"\/><\/p>\n<p>                            Business Insider tells the innovative stories you want to know<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, Sutskever has been ordered by the federal judge overseeing the lawsuit to sit for a second deposition before Musk&#8217;s attorneys. During that second deposition, Sutskever will have to elaborate on his financial interest in OpenAI and describe the confidential, so-called &#8220;Brockman memo,&#8221; in which OpenAI cofounder <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/openai-president-allocate-gpu-compute-internally-greg-brockman-2025-10\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Greg Brockman<\/a> described Altman&#8217;s 2023 ouster as CEO.<\/p>\n<p>              <img xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"lazy-image \" encoding=\"UTF-8\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" data-content-type=\"image\/jpeg\" srcs=\"{&quot;https:\/\/i.insider.com\/6906465e0be9845f2dc58b56&quot;:{&quot;contentType&quot;:&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;,&quot;aspectRatioW&quot;:3264,&quot;aspectRatioH&quot;:2624}}\" alt=\"Elon Musk and Sam Altman Preview\"\/><\/p>\n<p>                      Elon Musk and Sam Altman have been locked in a legal fight.<\/p>\n<p>              Florian Gaertner\/Chip Somodevilla\/Getty Images<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/musk-v-altman-judge-dings-both-gamesmanship-in-ai-clash-2025-7\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Musk sued Altman and OpenAI<\/a> in a California federal court last year, accusing Altman of betraying OpenAI&#8217;s founding mission as a nonprofit research lab dedicated to keeping AI technology safe and freely available for the good of mankind.<\/p>\n<p>The lawsuit \u2014 which alleges OpenAI and its backer, <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/microsoft-layoff-job-hunt-struggles-pay-rent-tech-industry-2025-10\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Microsoft<\/a>, violated antitrust laws by asking investors not to fund competing AI firms such as Musk&#8217;s own <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/elon-musk-xai-layoffs-data-annotators-2025-9\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">xAI<\/a> \u2014 also accuses Altman and other OpenAI executives of deceiving Musk into cofounding the company.<\/p>\n<p>OpenAI countersued Musk earlier this year, accusing him of a &#8220;years-long campaign of harassment.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/elon-musk-sam-altman-x-twitter-insults-openai-tesla-refund-2025-11\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Musk and Altman&#8217;s bitter feud<\/a> continues to spill over outside the courtroom.<\/p>\n<p>In the latest twist to the saga, the billionaire tech leaders traded jabs on X, Musk&#8217;s social media platform, over the weekend.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You stole a non-profit,&#8221; the Tesla CEO said in a post on Saturday in response to a post from Altman about trying to cancel an order for a <a target=\"_self\" class=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.businessinsider.com\/elon-musk-response-sam-altman-tesla-roadster-refund-2025-11\" data-track-click=\"{&quot;element_name&quot;:&quot;body_link&quot;,&quot;event&quot;:&quot;tout_click&quot;,&quot;index&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;,&quot;product_field&quot;:&quot;bi_value_unassigned&quot;}\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Tesla Roadster<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Altman later replied, &#8220;i helped turn the thing you left for dead into what should be the largest non-profit ever.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;you know as well as anyone a structure like what openai has now is required to make that happen,&#8221; Altman added.<\/p>\n<p>OpenAI announced last month that it completed its restructuring into a for-profit public benefit corporation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Anthropic explored a potential merger with artificial intelligence rival OpenAI in the immediate aftermath of Sam Altman&#8217;s brief&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":353436,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[691,24142,738,12854,3387,4381,14336,638,66,19834,305,172799,6514,172798,923,172800,172797,158,67,132,68],"class_list":{"0":"post-353435","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-artificial-intelligence","8":"tag-ai","9":"tag-anthropic","10":"tag-artificial-intelligence","11":"tag-attorney","12":"tag-board","13":"tag-business-insider","14":"tag-ceo","15":"tag-company","16":"tag-elon-musk","17":"tag-firm","18":"tag-openai","19":"tag-openai-cofounder","20":"tag-proposal","21":"tag-recent-deposition","22":"tag-sam-altman","23":"tag-second-deposition","24":"tag-sutskever","25":"tag-technology","26":"tag-united-states","27":"tag-unitedstates","28":"tag-us"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@us\/115487795469128916","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/353435","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=353435"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/353435\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/353436"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=353435"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=353435"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=353435"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}