{"id":399570,"date":"2025-11-23T17:35:14","date_gmt":"2025-11-23T17:35:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/399570\/"},"modified":"2025-11-23T17:35:14","modified_gmt":"2025-11-23T17:35:14","slug":"the-whole-thing-stinks-outsourced-ato-call-centre-workers-shocked-by-conditions-as-callers-complain-about-inexperienced-staff-tax","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/399570\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018The whole thing stinks\u2019: outsourced ATO call centre workers shocked by conditions as callers complain about inexperienced staff | Tax"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Rob* was part of an group of 16 workers hired by a private operator to answer phone calls for the Australian Taxation Office\u2019s customer service line.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">After training, the cohort was put on the phone lines and three immediately quit. Within six months, only four staff from the original group remained.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cI was just shocked about what goes on in these places \u2013 it\u2019s unbelievable,\u201d says Rob, who worked for the private equity-owned Probe Operations \u2013 the ATO\u2019s biggest outsourced call centre operator.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cThe pressure they put these people under is extreme, every minute is monitored, and if you go over the call time, they\u2019ll let you know about it immediately.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cThe whole thing stinks, [the ATO have] transferred these jobs off to private enterprise, and the pay is dramatically lower, leaving the companies to pocket the difference.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Those on the other end of the phones have also noticed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/email-newsletters?CMP=copyembed&amp;CMP=emailbutton\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Sign up: AU Breaking News email<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The Tax Ombudsman has been receiving reports of deteriorating service on the ATO phone lines from tax agents, who note that they often speak to call staff who cannot provide informed responses.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">According to an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.taxombudsman.gov.au\/reviews_reports\/systemic-review-of-the-effectiveness-of-the-atos-registered-agent-phone-line\/\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ombudsman\u2019s report<\/a> released last month, outsourced workers \u2013 half of whom have less than a year\u2019s experience \u2013 answer more than 85% of ATO calls, including those from tax agents.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">And one of the problems is the huge turnover at the for-profit operators, according to the report.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">In 2024-25, staff turnover across the outsource centres was 125%, although the data did not distinguish between the operators. This compared to 31% for ATO\u2019s internal workers.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">In other words, it\u2019s as if the outsource companies\u2019 entire staff roster turned over during a calendar year, and then an extra quarter of the workforce left.<\/p>\n<p>Same work, lower pay<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Workers like Rob <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/australia-news\/2025\/nov\/10\/ato-australian-taxation-office-outsourcing-to-private-call-centres\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">typically earn about $26.70 an hour<\/a>, which amounts to a base salary of about $52,800 a year, according to interviews with current and former staff. The rate rises to just above $60,000 for team leaders.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The ATO\u2019s direct employees, working on the same phone lines, generally earn over $72,000.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The outsourced workers argue that despite having the same duties, systems access and security obligations as ATO employees, the pay disparity, lack of training and inferior working conditions to the public service are extreme.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">When Rob was working on the phones with Probe, he could increase his pay by $2 an hour if he averaged 25 calls a day over a two-week period.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">But other staff monitoring the calls could also declare a \u201cstrike\u201d if they believed he gave inadequate responses, voiding his bonus for that fortnight.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The bonus system gets periodically adjusted, but is still broadly designed to encourage workers to take 25 calls a day, with \u201cstrikes\u201d or \u201cqualifiers\u201d that can nullify a bonus.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Denise*, who works with Probe, says the incentives were so vague she \u201cgenuinely doesn\u2019t know how they work\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cTeam performances can also mean some teams get extra money for pizza parties, or at least that is what they tell us. I\u2019ve never seen it happen,\u201d Denise says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">She says training is organised by ATO staff, but provided by private contractors, which she describes as \u201cwoefully bad\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cWe do the best we can when it comes to vulnerable taxpayers and I\u2019ve handled a number myself. It\u2019s hard on outsourced staff as we get little to no support which feeds into our turnover rate,\u201d she says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cVulnerable taxpayers mean longer phone calls which we are monetarily incentivised against as it affects our average handling time.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cAs far as I\u2019m aware, we are cheap and our stats are monitored down to the second, saving millions compared to ATO workers.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Probe declined to respond to questions, which included queries about the workers\u2019 experiences, pay rates, staff turnover and bonus systems.<\/p>\n<p><a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"#EmailSignup-skip-link-26\" class=\"dcr-jzxpee\">skip past newsletter promotion<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-rsfwa\">Sign up to Breaking News Australia<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1xjndtj\">Get the most important news as it breaks<\/p>\n<p><strong>Privacy Notice: <\/strong>Newsletters may contain information about charities, online ads, and content funded by outside parties. If you do not have an account, we will create a guest account for you on <a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"dcr-1rjy2q9\" target=\"_blank\">theguardian.com<\/a> to send you this newsletter. You can complete full registration at any time. For more information about how we use your data see our <a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/help\/privacy-policy\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"dcr-1rjy2q9\" target=\"_blank\">Privacy Policy<\/a>. We use Google reCaptcha to protect our website and the Google <a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"https:\/\/policies.google.com\/privacy\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"dcr-1rjy2q9\" target=\"_blank\">Privacy Policy<\/a> and <a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"https:\/\/policies.google.com\/terms\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"dcr-1rjy2q9\" target=\"_blank\">Terms of Service<\/a> apply.<\/p>\n<p id=\"EmailSignup-skip-link-26\" tabindex=\"0\" aria-label=\"after newsletter promotion\" role=\"note\" class=\"dcr-jzxpee\">after newsletter promotion<\/p>\n<p>Tax agents unhappy with service<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The KKR-owned Probe, the Nasdaq-listed Concentrix Services and the British multinational Serco <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/australia-news\/2025\/nov\/10\/ato-australian-taxation-office-outsourcing-to-private-call-centres\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">share in call centre contracts with the ATO<\/a> worth $316.5m, according to analysis of government tenders.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The ATO also uses a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/australia-news\/2025\/nov\/03\/ato-australian-taxation-office-private-debt-collector-recoveriescorp-paid-42m\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">private debt collector<\/a>, although staff at the outsource call centres have also chased debts.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The contracts were enacted after a 2023 directive by the Labor government for all agencies to \u201cmove away from outsourcing work that is the core role of the APS or the agency\u201d, referring to the Australian public service.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">While consumer advocates have raised significant concerns over how the outsourced model affects vulnerable taxpayers, tax agents are not happy either.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Susan Franks, from Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand, said the ATO\u2019s online services needed a major investment to properly serve tax agents, while \u201cthe phone system just doesn\u2019t work\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cWe would prefer the ATO\u2019s phone calls to be answered by somebody with experience in tax and a deep knowledge of tax, rather than contractors that are changing \u2026 and haven\u2019t got tax experience,\u201d said Franks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The Australian Services Union\u2019s national secretary, Emeline Gaske, says the government must focus on procurement policies that deliver secure jobs and fair pay for workers delivering essential services.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cThe federal government should be a model employer and ensure that outsourced labour arrangements it engages in don\u2019t drive a race to the bottom on pay and conditions, and leave workers in insecure jobs,\u201d Gaske says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Serco declined to comment, while Concentrix referred questions to the ATO.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">The ATO declined to respond to a series of questions, including queries about the high staff turnover at the outsource centres, pay and conditions, and incentive schemes.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018You get what you pay for\u2019<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">Blair*, a former worker on the ATO lines for Serco, says his work day began with \u201cabsolute pain\u201d \u2013 just in finding a parking spot near the call centre in the Melbourne suburb of Box Hill.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">But he says the parking issues were nothing compared to a job in a system he describes as \u201cfailing workers and the tax-paying public\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cYou get what you pay for; it\u2019s not a good system for staff retention or the caller,\u201d Blair says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cThe training is pretty basic, and the rest is just learning on the job; you are constantly calling over supervisors, and some supervisors are the same as you, they don\u2019t know any better.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">\u201cYou\u2019re trained by people who have been trained in a hurry to bring other people up to speed. You\u2019re getting what they think you need to know, as fast as possible, and hopefully you pick it up. If you don\u2019t, you\u2019re out, next person\u2019s in.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\">*Names have been changed due to employment confidentiality provisions.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-130mj7b\"><strong>Do you know more? 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