{"id":418833,"date":"2025-12-02T05:45:17","date_gmt":"2025-12-02T05:45:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/418833\/"},"modified":"2025-12-02T05:45:17","modified_gmt":"2025-12-02T05:45:17","slug":"robert-schwartzman-alex-ross-perry-on-making-documentary","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/418833\/","title":{"rendered":"Robert Schwartzman, Alex Ross Perry on Making Documentary"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/deadline.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-deadline-2019\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.jpg\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/the-deadline-podcast-crew-call-2-1000-x-563px.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"169\" width=\"300\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDeadline<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\t\u201cThis is not my favorite band,\u201d exclaims filmmaker <a href=\"https:\/\/deadline.com\/tag\/alex-ross-perry\/\" id=\"auto-tag_alex-ross-perry\" data-tag=\"alex-ross-perry\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Alex Ross Perry<\/a> about the indie rock group Pavement, who is the subject of his documentary <a href=\"https:\/\/deadline.com\/tag\/pavements\/\" id=\"auto-tag_pavements\" data-tag=\"pavements\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pavements<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\tThat\u2019s not a ding. The Stockton, CA born band, which came together in 1989, was the type of group you wouldn\u2019t necessarily find on the top of a stack of alternative rock CDs alongside Red Hot Chili Peppers, Offspring, Garbage and President of the United States. And that\u2019s because Pavement was a band that did it their way at a time when those groups who were breaking through were\u2026selling out. Quite often one music video alone (i.e. \u201cDon\u2019t Let\u2019s Start\u201d from They Might Be Giants, \u201cCome Out and Play\u201d from Offspring) were the defining moments for such nice bands, catapulting them to greater marquee and million-plus album sales success in the \u201990s. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\tAdds Perry on today\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/deadline.com\/tag\/crew-call\/\" id=\"auto-tag_crew-call\" data-tag=\"crew-call\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Crew Call<\/a> about what brought him to spotlighting Pavement: \u201cThis is my favorite era of cultural consumption of the way media was distributed, released, marketed: independent record label, mainstream record label; sell out, don\u2019t sell out. And this is the band that you can tell that story with, better than any other band. So, the fact that they\u2019re not literally my favorite band of all time is immaterial because they\u2019re the absolute favorite band to tell the story that I was dying to tell.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\tWhile their sound didn\u2019t grate against the alternative bass of the era, and their sound not that far from Nirvana\u2019s, Pavement was a band that stuck to their own pace, stylistically and image-wise. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\t\u201cBeavis and Butthead definitely clowned on them,\u201d said Perry. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\tHere\u2019s our chat with Perry and Pavements EP and <a href=\"https:\/\/deadline.com\/tag\/utopia\/\" id=\"auto-tag_utopia\" data-tag=\"utopia\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Utopia<\/a> Boss <a href=\"https:\/\/deadline.com\/tag\/robert-schwartzman\/\" id=\"auto-tag_robert-schwartzman\" data-tag=\"robert-schwartzman\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Robert Schwartzman<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\tThere\u2019s was a pivotal moment for the band (which have broken up and reunited myriad times) when guitarist Scott Kannberg was arguing with a bandmate at Lollapalooza \u201995; his anger got the best of him and he wound up flipping the crowd and mooning them before Pavement had no choice but to leave the stage. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\tIn retelling the story of Pavement, Perry, too, has decided to do so in a road-not-travel type of way. Pavements, which the doc\u2019s executive producer Robert Schwartzman\u2019s Utopia released this past summer, is both music doc and satire. Band archival footage and interviews are intermixed with a movie-within-a-movie that has actors playing band members (Joe Keery as Stephen Malkmus; Fred Hechinger as Bob Nastanovich; Natt Wolff as Scott Kannenberg) and Robert\u2019s brother Jason Schwartzman as Chris Lombardi, founder of the group\u2019s label Matador Records. The movie employed a road show form of distribution this past summer with multi-city stops, becoming one of Utopia\u2019s most successful movies, grossing close to $400K and pulling in Gen Z and boomers. <\/p>\n<p>Schwartzman also had his own traveling music doc this past summer, Hung Up on a Dream: The Zombies Documentary, which had the former lead vocalist of Rooney touring with the 1960s English rock \u201cTime of the Season\u201d band at key cinema venues. Talking about taking indie docs to another level, Schwartzman says it\u2019s about \u201cexploring new tactics to get audiences to be engaged with these releases.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn today\u2019s world, because there\u2019s so much happening every day, you\u2019re trying to keep up with people\u2019s viewing habits. I think a music documentary is sort of perfect for the slower approach and to give it more time for discovery,\u201d Schwartzman explains. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\t\u201cWhen a movie is available everywhere on digital, I feel like some of the magic is lost at that point,\u201d continues the EP, \u201cThe longer you can take before a film hits digital, the more events, the more activations, the more moments you can create to get people engaged, the more experiences people can leave with that have some of them.\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-margin-lr-auto     \">\n\tPavements is one of the eligible documentaries for the 98th Academy Awards. <\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/deadline.com\/wp-content\/themes\/pmc-deadline-2019\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.jpg\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/PAVEMENTS_S1.webp\" alt=\"\" data-lazy- data-lazy- height=\"683\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\tPavements<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMichael Wong\/Daniel Stahl\/ Alldayeveryday<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Deadline \u201cThis is not my favorite band,\u201d exclaims filmmaker Alex Ross Perry about the indie rock group Pavement,&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":418834,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[29],"tags":[195997,186900,186901,171,975,195998,195999,67,132,68,196000],"class_list":{"0":"post-418833","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-music","8":"tag-alex-ross-perry","9":"tag-crew-call","10":"tag-crew-call-podcast","11":"tag-entertainment","12":"tag-music","13":"tag-pavements","14":"tag-robert-schwartzman","15":"tag-united-states","16":"tag-unitedstates","17":"tag-us","18":"tag-utopia"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@us\/115648392910488225","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/418833","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=418833"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/418833\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/418834"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=418833"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=418833"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=418833"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}