{"id":420822,"date":"2025-12-03T02:25:19","date_gmt":"2025-12-03T02:25:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/420822\/"},"modified":"2025-12-03T02:25:19","modified_gmt":"2025-12-03T02:25:19","slug":"why-fire-agencies-fail-to-put-out-blazes-that-later-turn-disastrous","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/420822\/","title":{"rendered":"Why fire agencies fail to put out blazes that later turn disastrous"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Firefighters knew the charred skeleton of a tractor was still hot when they left the valley floor in Ventura County last year, but didn\u2019t think it posed any danger.<\/p>\n<p>A week after crews declared the 1.8-acre Balcom fire out, powerful Santa Ana winds arrived, picked up some bits of hot rubber from one of the tractor\u2019s scorched tires and carried them over into dry vegetation, bringing the fire back to life, according to investigators.<\/p>\n<p>Though Ventura County Fire Department officials said they went by the book when they left the Balcom fire\u2014 clearing containment lines, dropping retardant and even using a drone with an infrared camera to identify lingering heat \u2014 it wasn\u2019t enough. The Mountain fire burned nearly 20,000 acres and destroyed roughly 250 homes and structures in Camarillo Hills and nearby communities in western Ventura County. <\/p>\n<p>            <img class=\"image\" alt=\"Infrared image from Balcom fire.\"   width=\"1200\" height=\"1500\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/1764728715_250_\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\"\/>         <\/p>\n<p>Infrared image from Balcom fire on the remains of a tractor that caught fire while clearing brush in Somis shows hot spots on the wheels.<\/p>\n<p>(Ventura County Fire Dept.)<\/p>\n<p>As climate change makes the drying landscape more vulnerable, the Mountain and Palisades fires, both originating from smaller blazes firefighters thought they had put out, are raising questions about whether agencies need to rethink how they ensure fires are truly extinguished.<\/p>\n<p>Many agencies have utilized technology like infrared drones to scan for lingering heat, but the solution might be as simple as spending extra time patrolling after the fire to ensure nothing is smoldering, experts say.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cUnderstanding the consequences that will come from a fire, should it rekindle, and spending extra time and attention and not just taking it for granted that the fire is out is key,\u201d said Chris Dicus, a professor emeritus of wildland fire and fuels management at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. <\/p>\n<p>Ventura County Fire Chief Dustin Gardner said the department is creating a post-fire policy and mop-up procedures in the wake of the Mountain fire. The agency is also bringing in a third party to examine its actions on the fire and suggest areas for improvement. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe will learn from this,\u201d Gardner said. <\/p>\n<p>            <img class=\"image\" alt=\"Firefighters hose down hot spots on the Balcom fire.\"   width=\"1200\" height=\"1448\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/1764728717_929_\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\"\/>         <\/p>\n<p>Firefighters hose down hot spots on the Balcom fire.<\/p>\n<p>(Ventura County Fire Dept.)<\/p>\n<p>Officials say \u201choldover fires\u201d \u2014 those that remain dormant for days, weeks or months before restarting \u2014aren\u2019t uncommon. In 1991, what began as a small grass fire in Oakland rekindled into a firestorm that killed 25 people and destroyed more than 3,300 structures. <\/p>\n<p>More recently, the 2021 Marshall fire \u2014 the most destructive blaze in Colorado\u2019s history \u2014 was partially caused by embers from a week-old trash fire.<\/p>\n<p>And the wildfire that killed more than 100 people on Maui in 2023 erupted from an earlier brushfire sparked by downed power lines. <\/p>\n<p>The Palisades fire, which devastated the communities of Pacific Palisades, Malibu and Topanga, was a holdover from the Lachman fire, which federal prosecutors say was intentionally set on Jan. 1. <\/p>\n<p>            <img class=\"image\" alt=\"A view of cleared lots and sparse construction after the Palisades Fire in the Sunset Mesa neighborhood of eastern Malibu.\"   width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/1764728719_969_\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\"\/>         <\/p>\n<p> A view of cleared lots and sparse construction after the Palisades Fire in the Sunset Mesa neighborhood of eastern Malibu.<\/p>\n<p>(Allen J. Schaben\/Los Angeles Times)<\/p>\n<p>Los Angeles Fire Department officials, already under scrutiny for not pre-deploying engines in advance of hurricane-force winds, now  face  questions about why they didn\u2019t fully extinguish the Jan. 1 blaze before a buried ember  touched off the Palisades fire \u2014 killing 12 people and leveling more than 6,800 structures.<\/p>\n<p>Text messages obtained by The Times revealed that a battalion chief had ordered firefighters to leave the scene of the Lachman fire the day after it broke out, even though they said the ground was still smoldering and rocks remained hot to the touch. <\/p>\n<p>In October, Los Angeles Mayor Karen <a class=\"link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.latimes.com\/california\/story\/2025-10-31\/mayor-bass-investigation-lafd-palisades-fire\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bass directed then-LAFD Interim Fire Chief Ronnie Villanueva to launch an investigation<\/a> into the matter. <\/p>\n<p>Villanueva has previously said that LAFD took all the necessary steps to extinguish the Lachman fire. Firefighters \u201ccold-trailed\u201d the perimeter, chopping a line around the fire and feeling for residual heat. They packed up and left on Jan. 2.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe did everything that we could do,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>Wildland fire experts say that to reduce the chance of rekindle or holdover fires, departments should follow industry standards and cut a fire break around the burn scar, use hand crews to dig out hot spots and repeatedly check for hot spots in the days after. In the case of the Mountain fire, Ventura County went further, using a drone to find hot spots. LAFD decided against deploying the technology in the Lachman fire, officials said. <\/p>\n<p>Ed Nordskog, a retired Los Angeles County Sheriff\u2019s arson investigator, said that in the handful of rekindles he experienced during his career, he found that fire leadership was reluctant to accept it as a cause. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a personal embarrassment and possible career ending for a battalion chief or captain to have a rekindle,\u201d he said. \u201cI encountered six to eight rekindles during my career and each time the local battalion chiefs showed up to try and convince the investigators it was arson.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>In each of the major holdover fires in recent years, strong winds have helped carry embers into combustible materials, typically dry terrain. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat climate warming is doing is it\u2019s creating drier fuels and conditions for fires overall, not just holdover fires,\u201d said Hugh Safford, a  research faculty member in the UC Davis department of environmental science and policy and a former ecologist for the U.S. Forest Service. <\/p>\n<p>Some research has indicated that holdover fires, which can survive underground amid snow and rain, are becoming more common in high northern latitudes as the climate warms.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/s41586-021-03437-y\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">A 2021 study<\/a> found that the boreal forests of Alaska and Canada in the winter are particularly prone to these types of rekindled fires, which are also known as overwintering or \u201czombie\u201d fires. <\/p>\n<p>Experts say there isn\u2019t clear information about whether rekindlings are happening more frequently in California. But the fact they\u2019re occurring in urban areas makes them more visible and worth learning from, Dicus said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen this might have happened in the middle of nowhere, no one cares, but when it burns down communities, it\u2019s going to make the national news,\u201d he said. <\/p>\n<p>A day after Ventura County officials declared the Balsam fire out last year, crews flew a drone that detected heat near the fire\u2019s edge and the tractor\u2018s wheels. Firefighters dug out the smoldering material so it could cool. The heat signatures on the tractor weren\u2019t unusual, they thought, since the metal rims would have retained heat overnight. <\/p>\n<p>It even rained in the days after fire crews left the area, further assuaging their concerns.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe didn\u2019t go back out to this fire days afterward because we didn\u2019t think we needed to. It was cool. It was wet, we had forecasted rains,\u201d Gardner said.<\/p>\n<p>But armed with lessons from that fire, Ventura County fire officials have implemented changes. <\/p>\n<p>The day of a 2.3- acre brush fire near Janss Road in Thousand Oaks last month, a drone team flew the blaze\u2019s footprint and identified hot spots to help firefighters mop up. Crews continued to patrol overnight and again early the next day. They returned two days later with a possibility of increased fire weather in the forecast and scanned the fire footprint to ensure no heat was lingering. <\/p>\n<p>The approach echoed one firefighters took during the Kenneth fire in January. Officials used a drone to scan the 1,000-acre fire footprint to locate hot spots daily for roughly a week amid increased fire weather risks.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThese are a couple of examples of how operational decision making and our response to brush fires continues to evolve,\u201d said Andrew Dowd, a spokesperson for Ventura County Fire.<\/p>\n<p>LAFD\u2019s newly confirmed fire chief, Jaime Moore, said he <a class=\"link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.latimes.com\/california\/story\/2025-11-14\/lafd-insider-named-as-chief-amid-lingering-questions-about-palisades-fire\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">planned to commission an outside investigation<\/a> into <a class=\"link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.latimes.com\/california\/story\/2025-10-30\/firefighters-ordered-to-leave-smoldering-palisades-burn-site\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">missteps <\/a> during the mop-up of the Lachman fire. <\/p>\n<p>But Moore has also been critical of  what he called media efforts to \u201csmear\u201d firefighters \u2014 a position that some said raises questions about whether fire victims will get answers about what more could have been done to prevent the blaze. <\/p>\n<p>An <a class=\"link\" href=\"https:\/\/lafd.org\/sites\/default\/files\/pdf_files\/Palisades%20AARR%2010.08.2025%20%28final%29_0.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">LAFD after-action report<\/a> released last month described shortcomings of the department\u2019s response to the Palisades fire, along with recommendations for improvement, but contained only a few mentions of the Lachman fire. A report commissioned by Gov. Gavin Newsom roughly a month after the Palisades and Eaton fires killed 31 people and destroyed 16,000 structures across Los Angeles County will not analyze the Lachman fire response. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe were asked to study the Palisades, Eaton and \u2026 10 other fires,\u201d Derek Alkonis, one of the report\u2019s authors, said. \u201cWe\u2019re driven to get as much data as possible to analyze the systems that are in place to address the very systems that were in place during the Lachman  fire.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>LAFD in March issued a policy memo outlining fire containment and mop-up procedures to \u201censure complete extinguishment of vegetation, wildland and brush fires.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Fires that are smaller than 5 acres, the policy states, should include a line cut by hand or with a bulldozer around the entire perimeter, and 100% mop-up where crews extinguish remaining hot spots and smoldering material within the fire\u2019s control lines using water and foam. Larger fires are required to have \u201cwet mop-up extending a minimum of 100 feet from the fire perimeter,\u201d according to the document.<\/p>\n<p>The bulletin states that unmanned aerial system drones \u201cshould be considered for deployment\u201d on fires greater than an acre to assist with infrared heat detection and fire perimeter surveys. <\/p>\n<p>Gardner, Ventura County\u2019s fire chief, noted that it\u2019s difficult to question whether firefighters who put their lives at risk responding to these incidents could have taken different actions. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe trust and respect of the community is of the utmost importance for me and what\u2019s important for my men and women that respond every day and deal with these communities,\u201d he said. \u201cWe don\u2019t want that to be broken and that\u2019s why we\u2019re trying to be upfront and transparent and accountable. We\u2019re going to look at ways to do things even better in the future.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>Times staff writers Alene Tchekmedyian and Paul Pringle contributed to this report.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Firefighters knew the charred skeleton of a tractor was still hot when they left the valley floor in&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":420823,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5123],"tags":[7335,1582,276,25076,2385,5247,5025,12768,2096,196605,149071,2961,149072,30999,224,5337,196606,112806,17254,32495],"class_list":{"0":"post-420822","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-los-angeles","8":"tag-blaze","9":"tag-ca","10":"tag-california","11":"tag-crew","12":"tag-day","13":"tag-drone","14":"tag-fire","15":"tag-firefighter","16":"tag-heat","17":"tag-holdover-fire","18":"tag-hot-spot","19":"tag-la","20":"tag-lachman-fire","21":"tag-lafd","22":"tag-los-angeles","23":"tag-losangeles","24":"tag-mountain-fire","25":"tag-nearby-community","26":"tag-palisades-fire","27":"tag-structure"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@us\/115653269146292835","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/420822","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=420822"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/420822\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/420823"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=420822"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=420822"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=420822"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}