If you\u2019re a delivery app company, an e-commerce giant, or even a hotel chain, you might not be the biggest fan of Sam Levine right now.\u00a0<\/p>\n
Just three weeks into Mayor Zohran Mamdani\u2019s administration, the new commissioner of New York City\u2019s Department of Consumer and Worker Protection has hit the ground running. <\/strong>The department will be targeting junk fees<\/a>, giving a platform to tenants at \u201cRental Ripoff\u201d hearings<\/a> and banning hidden hotel fees<\/a>.<\/p>\n As new laws protecting delivery app workers come into effect, the administration has left little doubt about their intention to strictly enforce them. In one week, DCWP released a report<\/a> slamming DoorDash and Uber for cutting workers out of tips \u2013\u00a0DoorDash called it<\/a> \u201cwrong\u201d \u2013 and sued another company, Motoclick, and its CEO, alleging stolen pay and illegal fees.\u00a0<\/p>\n Some of that work, Levine acknowledges, began before his time and under Mayor Eric Adams\u2019 administration.<\/p>\n Those actions shouldn\u2019t be all that surprising. Mamdani campaigned on affordability for working-class New Yorkers, and has positioned himself as an ally of Deliveristas, for example. And those companies are likely no stranger to Levine, who previously led the Bureau of Consumer Protection at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission under Biden and worked closely with Lina Khan, Mamdani\u2019s transition co-chair.\u00a0<\/p>\n City & State caught up with Levine in his office about the work so far, blowback from the tech sector and what lies ahead.<\/p>\n This conversation has been edited for length and clarity.<\/p>\n How did you first hear about the opening with the Mamdani administration? Were you approached? Did you apply?<\/strong><\/p>\n I moved to the city in June. I had been planning to move to the city for months \u2013\u00a0turns out it\u2019s not easy to find an apartment here. I was not planning to go back into government, at least immediately. I left the federal government, I wasn\u2019t really tied down in D.C. I wanted to live in New York, my partner wanted to live in New York. I thought, let\u2019s just try this. Mamdani was already on my radar, but I thought, I\u2019m a new New Yorker, I did not have ambitions for it at that time. I did start talking to Lina (Khan) about it. I had always known about DCWP \u2026 but I had started digging more into what the authorities were at the department. I started talking to some people who work here, or had worked here. And I thought, this is actually a place I think I could do some good. So I told Lina that. I put in my application. Eventually I got a call that they wanted to interview me.<\/p>\n And the rest is history.<\/strong><\/p>\n And the rest is history. Well, history in the making, I guess.<\/p>\n DCWP has had some of the biggest policy-focused press conferences of the administration so far in the first few weeks. Was there a directive from the administration that DCWP was going to be a priority area? Or was it mainly that you were already running with it?<\/strong><\/p>\n It was a give and take, right? I knew generally what the mayor\u2019s priorities were. I knew what his platform said about DCWP and about his economic justice work, generally. I\u2019d had conversations with City Hall about the junk fee agenda, for example, the subscription trap agenda. \u2026 One of the things I\u2019ve been really delighted by \u2013 and I did not always see this in Washington \u2013 is to have the attention this mayor has placed on the sort of bread and butter work we are doing to enforce worker protection laws, enforce consumer protection laws, and get money back to people who have been cheated.\u00a0<\/p>\n Some of the work that has come out of this administration so far \u2013\u00a0the report about Uber and DoorDash\u2019s tipping practices, the Motoclick investigation \u2013\u00a0had been started under the last administration. Do you feel like they set you up with room to run here?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n I think the staff here did really great work. I wasn\u2019t privy to \u2013 and I\u2019m not privy to \u2013 whether City Hall, at times, under the last administration, impeded that work. I certainly have, you know, reason to believe things I\u2019ve read in the press that City Hall was not always standing up for workers, standing up for consumers. They had other interests in mind. But there\u2019s no doubt about it that we have a wonderful consumer protection and worker protection team here in place. One of my goals early in is how can we accelerate this? For example, last week, it was a very deliberate decision that we were going to pair the Motoclick lawsuit with the DoorDash and Uber report with the warning blitz \u2013 which we\u2019ve never done before \u2013\u00a0to all app delivery companies. That wasn\u2019t an accident. The idea was we want companies to be\u00a0 on notice that there\u2019s a new sheriff in town.\u00a0<\/p>\n Politically, the mayor has already faced pressure from the business community to not make an enemy out of them, and I\u2019m sure he\u2019ll continue to face that pressure. Is that a pressure that rests on you at all?<\/strong><\/p>\n I don\u2019t feel it as pressure. I want businesses in New York to thrive. I want businesses in New York to boom. But the fact of the matter is we\u2019ve had two economies in the city. I don\u2019t just mean for the rich and the 99%. If you look at the business sector in New York, you just saw reporting last week<\/a> \u2013\u00a0thousands of New York small businesses closed in the second quarter of the Adams administration \u2026 even as some of the companies headquartered down here (near Wall Street) enjoyed bumper profits. \u2026 Sometimes when you hear \u201cwe have to protect the business community,\u201d sometimes you\u2019re hearing from a narrow trade association representing the biggest companies in New York. Look, I want them to thrive too. But the fact of the matter is small businesses in the city have not been thriving. \u2026 Far more people in the city are employed by small businesses than by the biggest companies, and I think there\u2019s a lot we can do to make life better for small businesses. Not only by enforcing the rules to make sure they compete on a level playing field, but like the executive order<\/a> you saw last week to try to reduce fines, fees and regulations so that small businesses can thrive.\u00a0<\/p>\n There\u2019s a bit of a theme emerging in holding tech companies accountable \u2013 whether that\u2019s going after delivery apps or highlighting how hard it is to unsubscribe from Amazon. Is that an intentional place to target attention in your view?<\/strong><\/p>\n It\u2019s not about targeting a certain industry. It\u2019s about targeting where people are getting squeezed. I was at the FTC when we sued Amazon for trapping people in subscriptions \u2013\u00a0that\u2019s because they were trapping a lot of people. They ended up paying the FTC $2.5 billion, including $1 billion in penalties for what they did with their Prime subscriptions. When we sent the warnings to Uber and DoorDash and the other app companies last week, it\u2019s not because I don\u2019t like tech. It\u2019s because they need to follow the law. I have been in the tech oversight space for a long time. I\u2019ve brought cases against Facebook, TikTok, against Microsoft, against Amazon, most of the companies, against Twitter. And what I\u2019ve seen is that there is a certain culture of impunity sometimes you see with Big Tech giants. So I think the reason you\u2019ve seen so much enforcement against them \u2013 on consumer protection, worker protection, antitrust \u2013 isn\u2019t because there\u2019s an animus toward that sector. It\u2019s because these are massive companies, and it\u2019s where you see a lot of the biggest problems.<\/p>\n We know that these companies don\u2019t tend to take enforcement action lying down. Can you provide any insight on what any internal pushback has been since last week on the delivery companies front?<\/strong><\/p>\n It\u2019s not internal, I mean DoorDash has come out and criticized us very aggressively. And they have every right to do that. And I have the right to tell the truth about what actually happened, which is that every word of the report we put out is true. I stand by everything I said about DoorDash\u2019s conduct and Uber\u2019s conduct. \u2026 I would welcome a meeting with DoorDash or any other company, but I\u2019m not here because I want to be invited to their Christmas party. I\u2019m here because we have a job to do, and it\u2019s to enforce the law and protect our workers and consumers. And if companies aren\u2019t doing that, we\u2019re going to hold them accountable.\u00a0<\/p>\n Also some of those companies were pretty active in the campaign cycle. DoorDash donated <\/strong>quite a bit of money<\/strong><\/a> to Andrew Cuomo. Any response you would say to someone who said this looks like retribution?<\/strong><\/p>\n No, they have a right to support whoever they want. Absolutely. Mayor Mamdani has been very clear, he is the mayor for all New Yorkers, doesn\u2019t matter who they voted for. And I feel exactly the same way. In my career \u2013\u00a0I\u2019m a Democrat \u2013 I\u2019ve sued companies that have been associated with Democrats. We need to enforce the law, and it\u2019s always been my approach, without fear or favor, we have to follow the facts and enforce the law when we see it being broken.\u00a0<\/p>\n Three weeks into the job, what has surprised you the most?<\/strong><\/p>\n I think the resources are limited. I mean, that\u2019s not a huge surprise. But I think when you\u2019re actually here and you look at what our responsibilities are, the new laws coming online this year \u2013\u00a0they give us even more responsibility \u2013 and you have to plot out how are we going to meet our obligations over the next year. That\u2019s a real challenge. But, you know, I do have a track record. The FTC was also a deeply underfunded agency. The bureau I led was about the same size as DCWP, actually. The composition was different. What I found is that if you have a clear orientation, a clear vision of where you want to go, you can do a lot. And I think there\u2019s a lot more this agency can do. Obviously, you know, the mayor ran on doubling<\/a> our budget. We\u2019re going to see what the proposal looks like soon. But my commitment to him is that whatever resources we are given, we\u2019re going to use them to squarely focus on advancing his affordability agenda. And even if I wish we had more, we\u2019re going to do the most with what we can.\u00a0<\/p>\n Any progress on the \u201cRental Ripoff\u201d hearings that you can point to?<\/strong><\/p>\n There\u2019s been a lot of work behind the scenes. I know we have not announced the dates yet for the hearings. We are eager to do that. But I can tell you, we are not sitting idly. We’ve been talking to tenant advocates, we\u2019ve been talking to housing experts, both inside and outside the city. We\u2019ve been scanning both the complaints we’ve received, I believe we\u2019ve scanned the state. \u2026 We are doing our homework now so that we can go into those hearings with questions, with clear things that we want to know, and that\u2019s so we can come out of the hearings ready to take action.<\/p>\n What did you learn from Lina Khan at the FTC that you\u2019re taking with you in this administration?<\/strong><\/p>\n Lina\u2019s approach to the world was she saw problems out in the world, whether it was the high cost of EpiPens and insulin, or monopolization by Facebook or subscription traps \u2013\u00a0you name it. And she said, \u2018What can I do to solve it? What can the FTC do to solve it? And if the FTC can’t solve it ourselves, how can we push other parts of the government or push other parts of the system to solve it?\u2019 I think some people come into jobs and think, \u2018Oh, here is our set of tools. 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