{"id":83034,"date":"2025-07-22T11:18:12","date_gmt":"2025-07-22T11:18:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/83034\/"},"modified":"2025-07-22T11:18:12","modified_gmt":"2025-07-22T11:18:12","slug":"why-you-are-reading-reddit-a-lot-more-these-days","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/83034\/","title":{"rendered":"Why You Are Reading Reddit a Lot More These Days"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>                  <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/9d073277bc567a208d6ce5d952e15e9cb2-15-reddit-office.rsquare.w700.jpg\" class=\"lede-image\" data-content-img=\"\" alt=\"A Reddit mascot is shown at the company\u2019s headquarters in San Francisco\" width=\"700\" height=\"700\" style=\"width:100%;height:auto;\" fetchpriority=\"high\"\/> <\/p>\n<p>\n                  Photo: REUTERS\/Robert Galbraith\n              <\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph_drop-cap\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiccn700120idyvp9knkjv@published\" data-word-count=\"60\">It doesn\u2019t really matter who you are, how you spend your time online, or what you imagine your relationship with the internet to be. However you scroll, wherever you browse, and whatever you want to see on your screens, it has probably happened to you, and if you haven\u2019t noticed yet, you may now: Your world has become more Reddit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyag900173b783mh4yy2t@published\" data-word-count=\"172\">The 20-year-old platform, which began as a niche link aggregator and gradually grew into the web\u2019s default community of communities, has gone from optional to inescapable, its little red alien logo manifesting no matter which way you look. For my zoomer cousin, a professional TikToker who was still learning to read when Reddit was founded, it\u2019s obviously \u201cthe only place where you know there are real people.\u201d For 82-year-old user LogyBayer, who grew up programming FORTRAN on punch-card computers in the 1960s, Reddit, where he has posted thousands of times, is the closest thing he can find to \u201cthe wondrous world of Usenet,\u201d the online discussion system that predates the web. Many of the less online people I know, who had maybe heard of Reddit, are now tapping through threads about life advice and HVAC repair; at the same time, some of the most online people I know, who for years saw Reddit as a sort of internet playpen, a meme aggregator downstream of more vital communities, are now logging in daily.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyaih00183b78uueuokam@published\" data-word-count=\"59\">It\u2019s happened to me, too, a screen-addled tech reporter who has been covering the platform\u2019s growth \u2014\u00a0and various problems \u2014\u00a0for well over a decade with at least notional remove: When it\u2019s time again to pick up that phone and incinerate a few more seconds of my one life on earth, more often than not, I shovel them into Reddit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyam400193b78qdcw5hn4@published\" data-word-count=\"134\">This isn\u2019t just a feeling. Reddit, after two decades of gradual and uneven growth, is exploding. According to Similarweb, it\u2019s one of the largest properties online; if you take away social apps like Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok, and utilities like Google and ChatGPT, its closest competition among websites is Wikipedia. In 2023, according to the company, Reddit had around 60 million unique visitors a day; its latest earnings report puts the number at 108 million a day, 400 million a week, and, according to conservative estimates, well over a billion different people using it every month. About those earnings reports: In 2024, Reddit went public. Its stock price popped, then climbed alongside its traffic. Revenue is way up, and after years of losses, the company eked out a slim profit in the last quarter.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyatj001a3b78fw8r0vjp@published\" data-word-count=\"80\">Why now? Reddit\u2019s co-founder and current CEO, Steven Huffman, suggests the answer is obvious. \u201cWhen we started Reddit, it was a web page of 25 links from around the internet,\u201d he says. \u201cNow, 20 years later, you\u2019re stumbling into some thread where people are telling stories they\u2019ve never told before and it drifts into life advice for someone who lives 2,000 miles away.\u201d He didn\u2019t see that coming, he says, but \u201cin hindsight, it actually makes a lot of sense.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyb6p001b3b78i0bhgndb@published\" data-word-count=\"167\">For years, Reddit, which is made up of thousands of sub-Reddits moderated by volunteers, offered a centralized and streamlined alternative to the web\u2019s thousands of small and scattered forums, message boards, and independent communities. At the same time, in contrast with the much larger social-media platforms that rose around it, it looked niche. \u201cThe word social media didn\u2019t exist\u201d when the site was launched, Huffman says. Since then, in his telling, the company has steered away from influencer culture and growth-at-all-costs social-media scaling \u2014\u00a0\u201cwe don\u2019t want people to be famous because of Reddit,\u201d he says \u2014 and toward realizing \u201cthe vision of the old web.\u201d Another way to tell the story is that the platform largely just stayed put. In any case, as the mega-platforms merge into TikTok-clone sameness, Reddit\u2019s steady focus on giving online randos a place to pseudonymously post with one another is paying off. In Huffman\u2019s view, Reddit\u2019s growth is simply its reward for stubbornly \u2014\u00a0maybe accidentally \u2014 \u201cfulfilling the promise of the internet.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiybdc001c3b78ytg77038@published\" data-word-count=\"120\">It\u2019s a good story, and there\u2019s something to it. But just out of frame, there are \u2026 a few other relevant things happening online, each as obvious to the typical browser as Reddit\u2019s sudden come-up. The World Wide Web from which Reddit grew, and for which Huffman expresses so much reverence, has been going through something akin to ecological collapse after being poisoned, then abandoned, by advertisers that have little use for independent websites anymore. At the same time, the rise of generative AI suggests a lot of people are just as happy \u2014\u00a0if not happier \u2014\u00a0getting life advice, news, and conversation from a robot that has read a bunch of sub-Reddits as they are chatting with internet strangers themselves.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiybfg001d3b781008q5gr@published\" data-word-count=\"53\">Reddit\u2019s place in the collapsing web is both valuable and risk-laden. Google\u2019s response to the gradual breakdown of the digital commons has been to send more and more people to Reddit, where relevant results are at least probably written by human beings, lavishing the site with traffic but binding the companies\u2019 fates together.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiybhu001e3b78a3t25n0p@published\" data-word-count=\"121\">Reddit\u2019s relationship with AI is similarly tense: As a training corpus, Reddit is immensely valuable; after years of unauthorized scraping, the company has official licensing deals with Google, which sometimes turns its content into AI-generated search \u201cAnswers,\u201d and with OpenAI, which uses Reddit\u2019s vast archives to give its chatbot depth and outside sourcing and to help it sound like a normal person \u2014\u00a0or at least a normal redditor. Meanwhile, Reddit moderators are battling a flood of inauthentic content generated by chatbots that were trained, of course, on Reddit. They\u2019re getting tired while users, less certain that other commenters are real \u2014\u00a0and less sure of their ability to tell and noticing the rising tides of slop elsewhere \u2014\u00a0are drifting into mutual suspicion.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiybjt001f3b78deqe4h0e@published\" data-word-count=\"91\">Huffman suggests that, just as Reddit was rewarded for offering an alternative to more baldly growth-and-ad-driven social media, it could serve a similar role in the post-ChatGPT world as a refuge for actual human interaction in a sea of generated text. \u201cSocial media made Reddit make more sense, and I think now that the web is kind of dying, sadly, that evolution helps Reddit make more sense,\u201d he says. \u201cReddit in that era is, Reddit is not social media. And now, we\u2019re entering this new era where Reddit is not AI.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyblz001g3b783lwhlswz@published\" data-word-count=\"102\">It\u2019s a powerful pitch, to the extent it remains true. But it doesn\u2019t quite capture just how strange and risky Reddit\u2019s position is in 2025. Being one of the last islands of humanity on a dying web may make you more appealing to, well, humans. But it also makes you even more valuable to the companies doing the killing. Reddit is an alternative to a web that\u2019s harvested, polluted, and depleted by tech firms in a race to dominate AI. It\u2019s also an increasingly valuable data source for tech firms in a race to dominate AI. How long can it be both?<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph_drop-cap\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiybsz001i3b78aeckxpok@published\" data-word-count=\"139\">Reddit has occupied a series of strange, sometimes contradictory positions in the public imagination over its 20 years of existence: a nerdier alternative to Digg, whose users it inherited after a redesign gone wrong; a platform overwhelmed by young men who were, at different times, in the tank for Ron Paul, Barack Obama, and Bernie Sanders; the world\u2019s leading aggregator of revenge porn; a crusading platform against revenge porn; and a staging ground for Donald Trump\u2019s online campaign, among many others. At different times, and to different people, it was an obscure \u201cdark corner\u201d of the web, an unbearably \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/unpopularopinion\/comments\/crvy7o\/reddit_culture_is_cringey_and_fucking_annoying\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">cringe<\/a>\u201d platform downstream from real internet culture (akin to 4chan or, actually, its polar opposite); a platform of free-speech crusaders; a hive of groupthink and censorship; and ground zero for an ongoing retail stock-trading boom that has since outgrown it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiybv5001j3b78kjb038jw@published\" data-word-count=\"96\">Through it all,\u00a0the platform has remained in some ways remarkably consistent. (As the critic Alex Pareene <a href=\"https:\/\/defector.com\/the-last-page-of-the-internet\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">wrote<\/a> a few years ago, Reddit went \u201cfrom merely embarrassing but occasionally amusing, to actively harmful, to \u2014 mainly by accident \u2014 essential.\u201d) In 2005, Reddit looked a lot like it does now, a list of links on which users voted up or down. By 2008, it worked a lot like it does now, with comments, sub-Reddits created and run by the community, and the rise of self-posts \u2014 threads without links, created to talk, argue, or share things directly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiybxf001k3b78h6aiw64u@published\" data-word-count=\"96\">To a user in 2008, Reddit was legible as a forum of forums, a new and centralized take on the sorts of scattered web communities where people used to spend a lot of time on a much smaller internet. To a user in 2025, this can make it feel like a throwback. We\u2019re further from Reddit\u2019s founding than Reddit\u2019s founding was from the creation of the web browser. It still basically operates within structures and norms established on dial-up bulletin-board services and email lists: communities sorted by interest, volunteer policing, and threads upon threads of text.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiybzs001l3b78wxcchusw@published\" data-word-count=\"270\">Reddit\u2019s formal and cultural stubbornness \u2014\u00a0and its roots as a mid-aughts gathering place for (mostly) young men interested in technology and the stunted online culture of the time \u2014 has helped and haunted it for its entire existence. Huffman, who co-founded the site with his college roommate, Alexis Ohanian, and the late activist Aaron Swartz, left the company after it was acquired by Cond\u00e9 Nast in 2009. (In 2011, Cond\u00e9 Nast spun off Reddit into an investable subsidiary of Advance Publications. Its $10 million investment would eventually be worth more than $2 billion.) Huffman returned in 2015 after a series of user and moderator revolts driven, in part if not completely, by the attempts of CEO Ellen Pao to figure out what to do about growing communities with names like <a href=\"https:\/\/nymag.com\/intelligencer\/2015\/10\/reddit-founder-steve-huffman.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Jailbait, Pics of Dead Kids, Fat People Hate, and Beating Women<\/a>. He did so with a mandate to square the platform\u2019s need for growth with the desires of a user base that was incredibly allergic to being told by the company what it could and couldn\u2019t do. \u201cIt\u2019s kind of an egotistical thought,\u201d Huffman <a href=\"https:\/\/nymag.com\/intelligencer\/2015\/10\/reddit-founder-steve-huffman.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">told<\/a> New York Magazine at the time, \u201cbut I felt like I\u2019m literally the only person in the world who can fix this and I had a moral obligation to do so.\u201d There was resistance within the company, too. \u201cHuffman stepped into what was basically a company on fire and was met by employees who were either disgruntled, burned out, or just done with the drama,\u201d says Christine Lagorio-Chafkin, author of We Are the Nerds, a book about Reddit\u2019s history. \u201cHalf the staff left within days.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyc1x001m3b78upsh4o43@published\" data-word-count=\"104\">This was, in hindsight, the beginning of a long process of growth-and-revenue-oriented taming and professionalization with occasional top-down mandates and a few more user revolts \u2014\u00a0the most recent in 2023 after the company limited access to developers, threatening third-party apps and tools used by moderators, resulting in mass sub-Reddit blackouts and a moderator exodus. The company by turns tolerated, managed, or crushed user backlash on the way to the big prize: Reddit\u2019s IPO. In May 2024, shares in Reddit started trading on the New York Stock Exchange, its $34 listing price valuing the company at $6.5 billion. In July 2025, shares trade above $150.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyc4a001n3b78irrx0px7@published\" data-word-count=\"160\">\u201cIt\u2019s almost as if he made a list of all the things that had haunted Reddit as a site for years and built systems to dismantle them,\u201d Lagorio-Chafkin says of Huffman. In person and as the trollish and frequently maligned \u201cspez\u201d on Reddit, he served for years as a representative of and foil for some of the site\u2019s most vocal (or at least stereotypical) users: a millennial white-guy programmer who enjoys arguing a little too much for his own good. Post-IPO, Huffman is now much wealthier \u2014 his shares in the company are worth north $600 million \u2014 and, as is customary in his San Francisco cohort, conspicuously muscular. After years of corporate expansion, Reddit is starting to resemble the larger tech companies he likes to use as foils. In 2015, when he returned, Reddit had fewer than 75 employees. Now, it has more than 2,300 staffers and a market cap of $28 billion. It\u2019s also \u2014\u00a0finally \u2014\u00a0turning a profit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyc6i001o3b78lmj1gp97@published\" data-word-count=\"56\">It would be an overstatement to say Reddit\u2019s transition into a publicly traded online platform was smooth. \u201cWe\u2019ve lost a lot of moderator skill since the IPO,\u201d says one longtime volunteer who communicates regularly with Reddit\u2019s leadership. These tens of thousands of moderators aren\u2019t just helpful \u2014\u00a0they\u2019re operationally crucial, keeping the site organized and (relatively) hospitable.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyc91001p3b782pysx3dv@published\" data-word-count=\"205\">The 2023 revolt drove a lot of people out, and the loss of third-party tools for dealing with the workload was a pain for the ones who remained. (At the time, Huffman compared protesting mods to entitled \u201clanded gentry\u201d; among volunteers, the episode is still referred to as \u201cfuck spez.\u201d) Before Reddit developed its own replacement tools, another moderator tells me, \u201cWe had a solid year of unchecked spam hitting all sub-Reddits.\u201d At the same time, mods were dealing with a new problem: AI. \u201cWith text-only subs, we see increased attempts by people generating fake stories,\u201d the moderator says, and discerning the difference between AI posts and typical Reddit comments was suddenly much harder. Image-based sub-Reddits, suddenly glutted with generated material, scrambled to come up with rules \u2014 \u201cconstantly disputed,\u201d the mod says \u2014 and struggled to enforce them. Suddenly, spammers and trolls had superpowers. Earlier this year, researchers at the University of Zurich dispatched \u201csemi-automated, AI-powered accounts,\u201d which identified themselves variously as rape victims, trauma counselors, and Black men opposed to Black Lives Matter,\u00a0to a sub-Reddit called \/r\/changemyview, where, mostly undetected, the researchers claimed they achieved \u201cpersuasive rates between three and six times higher than the human baseline,\u201d leaving users annoyed and moderators enraged.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyccj001q3b78i5chhs3a@published\" data-word-count=\"247\">Meanwhile, the longtime mod says, recruiting new help has gotten harder. \u201cPeople hate you. The people who want to do it are power hungry, and the really good ones burn out.\u201d They also have somewhat less control than they used to (they can no longer lock down their sub-Reddits in protest, for example). \u201cI think the company is under a lot of pressure to remove power for moderators,\u201d he says. \u201cI need more people, but Reddit would like people to have less power.\u201d Laura Nester, Reddit\u2019s VP of community, says managing mods is crucial to the platform\u2019s survival. \u201cThey\u2019re stewarding their communities, they\u2019re building the norms, building the rules and enforcing their independent individual rules,\u201d she says. \u201cOur goal is just to empower moderators and communities to do what they\u2019re gonna do.\u201d Mod drama isn\u2019t a sideshow. Like Wikipedia, Reddit works only if people feel like posting there and if moderators feel like volunteering hours a week \u2014\u00a0or a day \u2014\u00a0to keep things clean, civil, or at least functional. Unlike Wikipedia, Reddit is a for-profit company, which makes its volunteer model fragile in different ways. (For an idea of what happens when your army of volunteer contributors loses interest in boosting your company\u2019s bottom line, look no further than the rotting corpse of Quora.) Before the IPO, Reddit offered some longtime moderators early access to its stock. Now that they\u2019re volunteering for a public company, though, some are floating another idea: Maybe they\u2019ll need to get paid.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyceo001r3b781j39a0wi@published\" data-word-count=\"186\">Still, the transition happened, and the admin-mod-user relationship that keeps Reddit running remains more or less intact. \u201cI think what\u2019s underappreciated is that he continued what Ellen started,\u201d Lagorio-Chafkin says \u2014 cracking down on hate speech and harassment and building \u201csturdier internal teams.\u201d As a result, she suggests, Reddit is far larger, more functional, and more diverse than ever, with sub-Reddits for just about any pastime or interest you might come up with, often filled with more people than you might expect. According to the company, Reddit is now used by slightly more women than men, and, unlike a lot of other large platforms, its share of young users is growing. Fandoms have sub-Reddits, and so do brands. The platform functions broadly enough to host, for example, a massive sub-Reddit for Uber-rider stories and complaints (\u201cDriver picked me up with her infant and boyfriend in the car\u201d) as well as a sub-Reddit with more than 420,000 subscribers for Uber drivers (\u201cShe peed herself in my car. I can\u2019t blame her\u201d). Any sufficiently popular sub-Reddit eventually spawns a \u201ccirclejerk\u201d counterpart in which users mock the host sub-Reddit.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiycgr001s3b78ilfmv0ac@published\" data-word-count=\"124\">Reddit is also far more international despite English still being the dominant language. It\u2019s not uncommon, particularly in sub-Reddits devoted to personal stories and advice, to realize that the difficult in-laws in question live in Bhopal or that the requested product recommendations need to be available for purchase in Jakarta. More surprising, perhaps, is the persistence of one of Reddit\u2019s less publicized functions, even through its IPO and efforts to court mainstream advertisers: There are still massive amounts of porn on it with thousands of sub-Reddits filled with just about any sort of adult content you can think of and quite a bit more. The largest isn\u2019t even an aggregator:\u00a0On \/r\/gonewild, which has more than 5 million subscribers, redditors post nude photos of themselves.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiycj1001t3b7882huzb7s@published\" data-word-count=\"86\">Plenty of the dynamics resemble, as Huffman suggests, an extension of the \u201cold web\u201d ethos of community and connection, albeit enabled by new internet techniques. Once built purely around a unified front page and followed sub-Reddits, users now get algorithmic recommendations. As with any such system, this has the effect of making the platform feel larger and, at times, more isolating. There are also more ads than there used to be (Reddit\u2019s revenue last year was just $1.3 billion, $1.2 billion of which came from advertising).<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiycld001u3b789ggodvob@published\" data-word-count=\"251\">Still, from the inside, Reddit remains recognizably Reddit. Strains of its dominant 2010s culture have become less important if not less obvious, aging and mutating with some of its most devoted longtime users. There are plenty of kids there talking about kid things, and a surprising number of elderly people, too, but there are also, unmistakably, a ton of American college-educated millennials, many of whom now have jobs and children and whose once-nerdy interests and sensibilities have become, with some help from Reddit itself, genuinely mainstream \u2014 so much so that the site\u2019s name on the platform and elsewhere has become a pejorative <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/Letterboxd\/comments\/1dd8kcq\/whats_the_most_reddit_movie_you_can_think_of\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">shorthand<\/a> for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/list\/show\/204258.the_most_reddit_books_ever\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">normie millennial tastes<\/a>. There are large and active conservative and pro-Trump sub-Reddits, but the largest and most extreme MAGA communities have been officially banned by the company or marginalized in the community, meaning America\u2019s dominant political movement is rendered on the platform\u2019s most popular sub-Reddits as an absurd and enraging external force and as fundamentally incompatible even with Reddit\u2019s commercialized approximation of a shared, deliberative commons. Posts fishing for earnest responses from Trump supporters are more likely to be answered by young liberal redditors venting about their parents. Years of failed attempts to create a conservative alternative to Reddit have instead culminated with a migration back to X, with which Reddit is now engaged in a sort of simmering mega-scale forum war. (Early this year, Elon Musk lashed out at Reddit, where some sub-Reddits had banned links to X, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/command-line-newsletter\/637083\/elon-musk-reddit-ceo-content-moderation\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">privately pressured<\/a> Huffman to step in.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiycnm001v3b789qvz1kag@published\" data-word-count=\"99\">One way to understand Reddit is as a largely functional, self-sustaining community that its leadership managed to avoid fucking up \u2014 an old and sturdy system that remains, against all odds, basically intact. But this alone doesn\u2019t explain its growth or the situation it finds itself in now. For Reddit to grow as it has \u2014\u00a0suddenly and massively despite largely staying the course \u2014 it required some help. First, it needed the web to collapse around it and social networks to chase TikTok into <a href=\"https:\/\/nymag.com\/intelligencer\/2023\/04\/why-every-app-now-feels-like-tiktok-but-worse.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">video-recommendation oblivion<\/a>, leaving readers desperate for anything resembling actual human discussion. Then it needed Google.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph_drop-cap\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiycrp001x3b78glqgueq3@published\" data-word-count=\"114\">In 2019, on the tech-industry Reddit clone Hacker News, users <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ycombinator.com\/item?id=21402518\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">discussed<\/a> a blog post about missing the \u201cold internet,\u201d pining for the days before it was ruined by the \u201ccommercial smog thrown up by Google.\u201d Multiple commenters shared the same advice: \u201cI\u2019ve taken to appending \u2018reddit\u2019 to many of my search queries, because flawed though it is, Reddit is one of the few places you can read an actual human thought,\u201d one wrote. Sure, Reddit was still a \u201ccesspool,\u201d full of bullshitters and tiresome \u201cin-jokes\u201d of its own, commenters said, but the advice was well received \u2014\u00a0and prescient. Reddit users shared the tip, the company itself <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/Reddit\/status\/1179106592119242753\" rel=\"nofollow\">publicized<\/a> it, and the \u201creddit\u201d hack went mainstream.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiycu4001y3b78ahvrbivm@published\" data-word-count=\"117\">By 2022, Google had taken notice and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theverge.com\/2022\/9\/28\/23377358\/google-search-reddit-discussions-forums-results\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">adjusted its search<\/a> algorithms in a way that surfaced Reddit more often, particularly in response to open-ended questions, and said it would guide users toward \u201chelpful content\u201d and more \u201cfirst-person perspectives.\u201d By 2023, search analysts were tracking dramatic increases in Reddit\u2019s visibility on Google; one report estimated that Reddit had gone from \u201c57 million visits from Google U.S. \u2026 in July 2023 to 427 million in April 2024.\u201d Reddit\u2019s own numbers told a similar story: The mature, newly public company, which had been fighting for incremental growth its whole life, was suddenly tracking like a viral start-up, its total traffic growing yearly by half with no signs of slowing down.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiycw3001z3b782qo474bn@published\" data-word-count=\"118\">At first in its earnings reports, the company was slightly coy about what was going on, emphasizing how important Reddit had become to Google, not the other way around. (\u201cReddit was the sixth-most-Googled word in the U.S.,\u201d Huffman noted at the time.) Reddit\u2019s disclosures told the story more clearly: It reported that logged-in users \u2014\u00a0i.e., people who already had Reddit accounts \u2014 were up 27 percent globally, while its logged-out visitor numbers were up 70 percent. There are plenty of reasons the internet feels more Reddit these days, but none are as important,\u00a0nor as straightforward, as this: Google, in an effort to cope with its own rotting search index, has been sending us there by the hundred million.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyd1x00203b78v4j5rb6b@published\" data-word-count=\"103\">In an interview, Huffman emphasized that this isn\u2019t entirely new and that Google has been sending people to Reddit in unpredictable quantities for years: \u201cWe get a ton of traffic from Google today. We know that\u2019s not forever. We\u2019ve seen it in our history. It comes and goes.\u201d While a recent collapse in Google traffic has been a disaster for <a class=\"kiln-link-invalid\" href=\"http:\/\/v\" rel=\"nofollow\">e-commerce operations<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/nymag.com\/intelligencer\/article\/inside-the-medias-traffic-apocalypse.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">online publishers<\/a>, Huffman says, such changes wouldn\u2019t be a disaster because \u2014\u00a0again \u2014\u00a0Reddit remains Reddit. \u201cWe have a lot of content that Google likes, and the reason Google likes it is because we didn\u2019t generate it for them,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiyd6i00213b78wktmiput@published\" data-word-count=\"114\">But without the massive assist from Google, the past few years of Reddit\u2019s story look quite different. Adam Bumas, an analyst with research firm Garbage Media, has been tracking upvotes on popular sub-Reddits since Reddit shut off access for most outside tracking tools. Despite the influx of new visitors, this sort of active participation has remained flat \u2014\u00a0a story, Bumas says, of \u201cmaintaining rather than growing.\u201d Without Google\u2019s firehose of visitors, other risks come to the fore: competition from platforms like Discord, the real-time chat platform popular with younger users, where many sub-Reddits already have a presence; the growing preference among advertisers for video rather than text; and, of course, the rise of chatbots.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydbo00223b78jduvsnhj@published\" data-word-count=\"136\">There are also reasons to suspect that, today, Reddit\u2019s past relationship with Google may not be a reliable guide. Google\u2019s uses for Reddit aren\u2019t just about search, nor have they been merely convenient: In February 2024, the company announced it was \u201cexpanding its partnership\u201d with Google, allowing for \u201cnew ways for Reddit content to be displayed across Google products\u201d but also for Google \u2014\u00a0which was by then spending tens of billions of dollars a quarter pivoting to AI \u2014\u00a0to train its models on Reddit\u2019s vast corpus of \u201cauthentic human conversations and experiences.\u201d For Google, spooked by the rise of ChatGPT, this was urgent. By May, it had rolled out AI-generated \u201canswers\u201d above its search results, many of which were clearly drawn from the platform, but which, by design, were far less likely to send users there.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydes00233b783xwjj944@published\" data-word-count=\"111\">When the feature made headlines for a viral AI-generated search result that suggested adding glue to a pizza recipe, the backstory implicated Reddit: Google\u2019s AI had misread an 11-year-old joke from a Reddit user called \u201cfucksmith.\u201d It was funny, of course, but also told a particular story about the future of the platform. Reddit \u2014\u00a0the last website, the imperfect and commercially conflicted steward of the \u201cpromise of the internet\u201d \u2014 was being harvested to train tools that purport to be able to do a lot of what Reddit users do for one another: answer questions, provide recommendations, open rabbit holes, indulge argument, and waste time. It was training its own replacement.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydhb00243b78thfwkdz9@published\" data-word-count=\"153\">From inside the platform, Reddit\u2019s relationship with AI is unremarkable. There are large active communities of AI enthusiasts sharing productivity hacks as well as sub-Reddits full of apocalyptic doomers, sci-fi optimists, and total skeptics. Users routinely call out comments that appear to be AI-generated and lament the rise of AI slop outside of Reddit\u2019s (relatively) safe perimeter. Moderators see a rise in AI-generated engagement bait and comments \u2014\u00a0more, they say, than Huffman admits \u2014 but they don\u2019t see it as a crisis, at least not yet. As a business, Reddit has been pushing further into AI-powered moderation and has polled users about AI content-creation tools. With users, it has moved cautiously, launching an internal AI search tool that lets users browse threads through a chat interface. To advertisers, it has been a little more aggressive, pitching them an \u201cAI-powered social listening tool designed to unlock strategic value from Reddit\u2019s 20 years of conversations.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydjd00253b78r5trnyiz@published\" data-word-count=\"186\">But Reddit\u2019s careful approach to AI features is misleading: Except for Wikipedia, maybe, no independent website has provided as much raw training data for as many AI firms, authorized or not, as Reddit. As a corpus for machines trying to sound or reason like people, it\u2019s immensely valuable: pre-organized, pre-moderated, cleaned and sorted by the input of millions of volunteers and users, and written, unlike so much else on the web, without SEO, traffic, or advertisers in mind. Likewise, its relationship with OpenAI runs deeper than the deal announced in early 2024 through which Reddit licensed data to OpenAI for training and to bring Reddit content directly into ChatGPT. In 2015, the day after OpenAI was founded, Sam Altman, in a joint interview with Musk, mused that \u201call of the Reddit data would be a very useful training set\u201d for building future AI; earlier that year, Altman, who had by then known Huffman for a decade, helped orchestrate his return as CEO but not before serving as CEO himself for a week. Altman was an early investor in Reddit and sat on its board until 2022.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydlf00263b78tef5ezzl@published\" data-word-count=\"128\">Huffman, who still regularly speaks with Altman, is hardly an AI skeptic. But when it comes to AI\u2019s impact on Reddit \u2014\u00a0at least in his capacity as a CEO \u2014\u00a0he\u2019s fairly sanguine about the future. \u201cThere are times the AI is superpowerful, and there are times when you just don\u2019t want it,\u201d he says. Sure, some of what people get from Reddit, they may soon be able to get from chatbots trained on it. \u201cIt can give you lots of decent answers to a wide variety of questions,\u201d Huffman says. And there\u2019s no doubt AI will rip through the economy of the web, which is already filled with cheap and largely replaceable content. \u201cAI is going to kill the bullshit because AI is better at bullshit,\u201d he adds.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydni00273b78tm388oag@published\" data-word-count=\"122\">Reddit has plenty of bullshit too. But a lot of questions brought to Reddit, Huffman says, are questions without clear answers \u2014\u00a0the sorts of questions where, even if you\u2019re not asking them yourself, you\u2019re there to read what other people think, work things through, argue, and joke around. \u201cI think what will stay constant is that human beings want to talk to each other,\u201d he says. \u201cPeople like talking. They like asking questions, they like hearing answers, they like giving answers, they like having a few laughs, they like being helpful.\u201d The big social platforms don\u2019t offer that anymore, and chatbots can\u2019t either. \u201cThe core of Reddit actually becomes more valuable over time when the rest of the internet turns into AI.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydps00283b78pdvjx7gr@published\" data-word-count=\"101\">In the background, though, Reddit has started acting a bit more paranoid. As a measure against bot-generated content, Reddit is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.semafor.com\/article\/06\/20\/2025\/reddit-considers-iris-scanning-orb-developed-by-a-sam-altman-startup\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">reportedly<\/a> considering partnering with World ID,\u00a0an iris-scanning crypto and identity start-up (started, of course, by Sam Altman). The company recently sued OpenAI competitor Anthropic for allegedly scraping its \u201cvast corpus of public content\u201d for its \u201cenormous utility\u201d and has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.404media.co\/reddit-issuing-formal-legal-demands-against-researchers-who-conducted-secret-ai-experiment-on-users\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">threatened<\/a> to sue the university researchers who ran the undercover AI experiment. Meanwhile, brands, advertisers, and spammers are reportedly <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/a86fb03a-8781-40b5-a077-1d677e546ecf\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">swarming<\/a> the platform hoping to cash in on Reddit\u2019s visibility in both Google Search and in AIs trained on and monitoring its posts.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydrz00293b785cuozlmk@published\" data-word-count=\"83\">As insular and resilient as Reddit has been, it\u2019s a resource that needs to be maintained and one that could be depleted. The through-line in Reddit\u2019s history is that it has always been forced to answer to its users and thousands of volunteer moderators, whether or not what they were demanding made sense for Reddit as a community or a company. In some ways, this dynamic surely held them back. But just as clearly, in hindsight, it probably kept the entire project alive.<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydu8002a3b78vpeip0wq@published\" data-word-count=\"81\">Huffman likes to emphasize that Reddit has been through a lot. When it launched, nobody was using the internet on smartphones, and the tiny company saw MySpace, Friendster, and Xanga as unassailable incumbents. It watched as they collapsed and were replaced with true giants, which shape-shifted as they grew, all the while remaining fundamentally and stubbornly the same. \u201cLook, we\u2019ve been around 20 years,\u201d he says. \u201cSo we have, I think, some perspective and comfort with the way the internet evolves.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"clay-paragraph\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"nymag.com\/intelligencer\/_components\/clay-paragraph\/instances\/cmddiydzu002b3b78xh2sw7e4@published\" data-word-count=\"114\">When I ask about risks, he spins to synergies. The trashing of the web, the lavish attention from Google and AI firms, the scrutiny of investors who care about returns above all \u2014 these are fundamentally aligned with Reddit\u2019s interests and will carry it to the next billion users. Huffman is more optimistic than ever about Reddit\u2019s internal tensions, too, having gotten, in his view, the platform\u2019s worst instincts under control. He recalls with clear satisfaction a recent conversation with a longtime moderator: \u201cHe\u2019s like, \u2018As a shareholder, how are you thinking about growth?\u2019 And I was just like, Oh, hallelujah.\u201d Reddit\u2019s most devoted volunteers, he says, \u201cused to tell us not to grow.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Photo: REUTERS\/Robert Galbraith It doesn\u2019t really matter who you are, how you spend your time online, or what&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":83035,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[19],"tags":[738,2722,712,305,213,923,16613,15322,158,67,132,68],"class_list":{"0":"post-83034","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-internet","8":"tag-artificial-intelligence","9":"tag-google","10":"tag-internet","11":"tag-openai","12":"tag-reddit","13":"tag-sam-altman","14":"tag-screen-time","15":"tag-silicon-valley","16":"tag-technology","17":"tag-united-states","18":"tag-unitedstates","19":"tag-us"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@us\/114896614509513433","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/83034","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=83034"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/83034\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/83035"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=83034"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=83034"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=83034"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}