{"id":89862,"date":"2025-07-24T23:21:15","date_gmt":"2025-07-24T23:21:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/89862\/"},"modified":"2025-07-24T23:21:15","modified_gmt":"2025-07-24T23:21:15","slug":"how-fantastic-fours-credits-scene-sets-up-avengers-doomsday","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/89862\/","title":{"rendered":"How Fantastic Four\u2019s credits scene sets up Avengers: Doomsday"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">The mid-credit and post-credit scenes in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/615093\/fantastic-four-first-steps-mcu-review\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The Fantastic Four: First Steps<\/a> go where you think they\u2019ll go\u2026 at least, until you stop to think, What does this really mean?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">In spite of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/24065485\/mcu-post-credits-teases-sequels-rumors\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">dangling plot threads<\/a> scattered across 17 years of post-credit scene teasers, Marvel has yet to slow down its efforts in dangling a sequel carrot at the end of every MCU movie. We even get mid-credit scenes now, too! That\u2019s a lot of setup potential. <\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">But the one plopped into Fantastic Four might be the clearest alley-oop in Marvel history. All roads lead to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/547509\/tom-hiddleston-loki-avengers-doomsday-timeline-how\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Avengers: Doomsday<\/a>, currently in production. But how this mishmash of MCU Phases 5 and 6 and Kevin Feige\u2019s rewired continuity plans come together in a coherent, fulfilling way is the real mystery teased in this brief look ahead. <\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">[<strong>Ed. note: <\/strong>This post contains major spoilers for the ending of The Fantastic Four: First Steps, including the credits scenes.]<\/p>\n<p>What happens (and doesn\u2019t) in Fantastic Four\u2019s mid-credits scene<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">(Or maybe it\u2019s just Mr. Doom? The comics have yet to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/AskScienceFiction\/comments\/6e3td3\/marvel_does_doctor_doom_have_a_legitimate\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">verify Victor\u2019s doctorate diploma<\/a>\u2026)<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">Marvel\u2019s much, much-anticipated #1 Latverian baddie seemingly pops up in a mid-credits sequence set #four-years after the events of First Steps. Marvel has yet to confirm whether that\u2019s Robert Downey Jr., star of 2026\u2019s Avengers: Doomsday, under the mask. In the scene, we only see a single shot of Doom crouching in front of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/e\/615574\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">super-toddler Franklin Richards<\/a>, mask in hand, green-caped-and-hooded back toward the camera. Amazingly, it\u2019s not too far off from this AI-generated fan video published days before opening??? People are sick.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">The scene still gets the brain-gears turning: Like Galactus, who <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=XsjvOQGBCcg\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">wanted that baby<\/a>, Doom knows Reed and Sue\u2019s dear sweet son Franklin is a special lad. As depicted, in the time it takes Sue to go retrieve a picture book from the shelf, Doom has crept into the Richards\u2019 Baxter Building apartment and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=UFFJhO90VN8\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">gone full Steve Buscemi in Con Air<\/a> on the poor unsuspecting child. What he intends to do next, and how that bridges Avengers: Doomsday, is the big unknown. Is this Doom from Earth-828, the dimension in which the Fantastic Four exist, or has he traveled from another pocket of the multiverse?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">Doom may not even exist on Earth-828, the Fantastic Four\u2019s home planet\/multiverse designation. His traditional stomping grounds of Latveria certainly does \u2014 we see signs marking its ambassador\u2019s seat when the Fantastic Four visit the United Nations. But if a version of Victor von Doom inhabits First Steps\u2019 version of Earth, he isn\u2019t enough of a threat to the world to earn a name-check alongside villains <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/518804\/fantastic-four-john-malkovich-red-ghost-nathaniel-richards\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Red Ghost<\/a>, Puppet Master, Wizard, and Diablo. Maybe that dimension\u2019s version of Doom actually graduated from medical school and opened a practice?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">The alternative is that this Doom stepped out of a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/22537327\/loki-tva-time-travel-cops\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">TVA-esque<\/a> portal from another plane of existence, knowing that Franklin was a precious source of cosmic power. (Or more specifically, the <a href=\"https:\/\/marvel.fandom.com\/wiki\/Power_Cosmic\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Power Cosmic<\/a>.) There\u2019s plenty of reason to think that\u2019s true, based on what we know about Avengers: Doomsday. But before we get to that: the actual shocker of First Steps\u2019 mid-credits scene.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">Earlier this summer, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/566333\/thunderbolts-review-marvel-florence-pugh-sebastian-stan\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Thunderbolts*<\/a> wrapped up with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/567448\/thunderbolts-post-credit-scenes-fantastic-four-teaser\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">a post-credits scene<\/a> that set a clear stage for future Marvel movies: the Fantastic Four\u2019s ship is spotted heading toward <a href=\"https:\/\/screenrant.com\/earth-616-or-19999-the-mcus-universe-number-finally-has-an-official-answer\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Earth-616, the main MCU setting<\/a>. In the tag, the New Avengers spot an \u201cextra-dimensional\u201d craft, the Fantastic Four\u2019s spaceship, blasting through Earth\u2019s atmosphere. The reveal looms over so much of First Steps, from the team\u2019s brush with a black hole in deep space to its ultimate plot to punch Galactus through a homemade portal on Earth \u2014 you\u2019re just waiting for Reed, Sue, Johnny, and Ben to get zapped from 828 to 616. Oh, they\u2019re saving it for the post-credits scene, of course! I thought. Nope.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">Despite that cameo from what we have to assume is Doctor Doom (unless it\u2019s some tricky fake-out, like <a href=\"https:\/\/marvel.fandom.com\/wiki\/Doombot_C-53_(Earth-616)\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">a Doombot<\/a>), possibly traversing the multiverse, Fantastic Four: First Steps plays out entirely in the 828 universe. The Thunderbolts* stinger remains on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/24065485\/mcu-post-credits-teases-sequels-rumors\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">yet-to-be-paid-off Marvel credits-scene tease list<\/a>. So what does it all mean for Avengers: Doomsday? Casting, leaks, and rumors paint a potential picture.<\/p>\n<p>Franklin, Avengers: Doomsday, and the road to Secret Wars (spoilers)<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"x3y21z1\" href=\"https:\/\/platform.polygon.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/03\/RDJ.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0,0,100,100\" data-pswp-height=\"1687\" data-pswp-width=\"2882\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\"><img alt=\"Robert Downey Jr. sits in a director\u2019s chair in a long line of similar chairs on a dark soundstage, pressing a finger to his lips in a \u201cshush\u201d gesture, in Marvel\u2019s livestream announcement of the Avengers: Doomsday cast\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"bdxwne0\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-image:url(&quot;data:image\/svg+xml;charset=utf-8,%3Csvg xmlns='http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' %3E%3Cfilter id='b' color-interpolation-filters='sRGB'%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3CfeColorMatrix values='1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 100 -1' result='s'\/%3E%3CfeFlood x='0' y='0' width='100%25' height='100%25'\/%3E%3CfeComposite operator='out' in='s'\/%3E%3CfeComposite in2='SourceGraphic'\/%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3C\/filter%3E%3Cimage width='100%25' height='100%25' x='0' y='0' preserveAspectRatio='none' style='filter: url(%23b);' href='data:image\/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAQAAAC1HAwCAAAAC0lEQVR42mN8+R8AAtcB6oaHtZcAAAAASUVORK5CYII='\/%3E%3C\/svg%3E&quot;)\"   src=\"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/RDJ.jpg\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Image: Marvel Studios\/YouTube<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">Here\u2019s what we definitively know about Avengers: Doomsday:<\/p>\n<ul class=\"duet--article--unordered-list _11x6rb9i _1j8z3al0 t0irya1\">\n<li class=\"_1j8z3al1\">Joe and Anthony Russo (Avengers: Endgame) are back directing the picture.<\/li>\n<li class=\"_1j8z3al1\">The movie is scheduled for release on Dec. 16, 2026.<\/li>\n<li class=\"_1j8z3al1\">Robert Downey Jr. leads an ensemble that includes the cast members from Fantastic Four: First Steps, Thunderbolts*, past Avengers movies, and even the 20th Century Fox-era X-Men movies. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/547051\/avengers-doomsday-cast-announcement-livestream\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">It\u2019s stacked.<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">That\u2019s it! While photos from the in-production film are slipping out from the set, even the leaks are mundane. Would you believe Ebon Moss-Bachrach\u2019s The Thing was spotted on a spaceship bridge alongside Wyatt Russell\u2019s U.S. Agent? <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/DL2nOEXMpFk\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Believe it!<\/a> <\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">But Fantastic Four: First Steps confirming that Doom is after Franklin, and potentially hunting him from across the multiverse, empowers a major rumor that has only existed as whispers. As the story goes, Doomsday will lift heavy inspiration from Jonathan Hickman\u2019s writing runs on Avengers, New Avengers, and the culmination, 2015\u2019s Secret Wars, and find the ol\u2019 Doctor orchestrating multiversal madness in order to become a god-tier entity reigning over a single cobbled-together universe. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/2020\/4\/6\/21209537\/marvel-comics-infinity-gauntlet-black-panther-iron-man-jonathan-hickman-secret-wars-x-men\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Here\u2019s a deeper dive into all those shenanigans<\/a>, because boy, it\u2019s a lot!<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">But in short: Instead of obtaining the power of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.marvel.com\/characters\/beyonder\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the Beyonders<\/a>, Doomsday Doom could wield an Omega-level mutant to condense a multiverse into what in the comics is known as Battleworld \u2014 the main locale of Secret Wars (and theoretical main locale of Avengers: Secret Wars, coming to theaters in 2027). <\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">A good chunk of Doomsday could focus on a clash between Avengers and X-Men with RDJ\u2019s Doom cackling in the background, with a kidnapped Franklin by his side. The premise certainly gives the Fantastic Four a reason to breach their multiversal walls and zip over to 616 to meet the New Avengers.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">Is this Doctor Doom actually a variant of Tony Stark? <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/24208774\/robert-downey-jr-doctor-doom-marvel-doomsday\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">It\u2019s not unheard of.<\/a> But Feige and director Matt Shakman resist the urge to give even a modicum of real info away by the end of Fantastic Four: First Steps \u2014 only the promise of more. Expect a steady stream of rumors for the next 18 months.<\/p>\n<p>Oh wait, what about the post-credits scene?<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _11x6rb9i ku7vx11 ku7vx10 t0irya1\">We love a just-for-fun post-credits moment, don\u2019t we, folks? James Gunn may have been poking fun at Marvel with Superman\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/movies\/611906\/supermans-post-credits-scenes-are-so-dumb-they-feel-like-a-gag-aimed-at-marvel\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">double dose of credit-scene irrelevancy<\/a>, but Feige knows how to tickle the MCU fans too. The actual post-credits sequence, dropped at the very end of the credits after an inspirational Jack Kirby quote, is an extended intro sequence from the fake in-universe Fantastic Four cartoon. Produced by Titmouse, a leading purveyor of modern 2D animation, the snippet is about 8,000 times better than the actual 1994 Fantastic Four cartoon. In the absence of an actual clip from the movie, enjoy (?) this instead.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"duet--article--comments-link g6d1ps9\" href=\"http:\/\/www.polygon.com\/marvel\/615924\/fantastic-four-post-credits-doomsday-avengers-doctor-doom#comments\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"The mid-credit and post-credit scenes in The Fantastic Four: First Steps go where you think they\u2019ll go\u2026 at&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":89863,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[28],"tags":[171,337,7644,53,67,132,68],"class_list":{"0":"post-89862","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-movies","8":"tag-entertainment","9":"tag-explainer","10":"tag-marvel","11":"tag-movies","12":"tag-united-states","13":"tag-unitedstates","14":"tag-us"},"share_on_mastodon":{"url":"https:\/\/pubeurope.com\/@us\/114910782011743724","error":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/89862","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=89862"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/89862\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/89863"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=89862"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=89862"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.europesays.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=89862"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}