The Irish government is basically the only body that can and would credibly work to fill in what a United Ireland might actually look like. Doing that would create momentum towards it – how many people polled say they’re not sure or don’t want to because they don’t know what it means. (And to be fair, having seen what it would really entail may turn some off!)
We need to get on with it. Waiting around for unionists to engage will never work – not in their interest to start the work. But I think we can bring them along if we make a balanced plan.
Pam Pam, double tap back at Burnham for coming here and being an ill prepared cheeky monkey with his talk of tables as if he decides these things.
Pam from Helen whatsherface last week.
Pam from Martin today.
That has got to smart mr Burnham.
Not just the condition for the poll to be held, we need a fucking map on how this is going yo happen! 100 years of same but different needs planned for. Here’s one really minor example. The legal standard for roadworks signs has two very different types of signs in use (and yes, they have to be a certain standard by law in both jurisdictions). Say there’s a united Ireland tomorrow, which standard takes precedence? One very minor, stupid example. But there are literally thousands of these, if not 100s of thousands. We need a fucking plan!
you know your bad at communication when even martin can seem to have a better answer than you
Realistically there does need to be a frank discussion about what sort of conditions need to be met to trigger a vote on the issue and decide or put the question to rest for a number of years, it’s not going to go away until its dealt with.
Ultimately though the decision whether to vote for Reunification needs to be an informed one and that people have some idea of what will come of it, sure there’s more obvious ones like automatic restoration of EU rights for up North but what needs to be fleshed out is making sure the Unionists at least know they’re not losing out on this but gaining alot more out of the whole thing (things like their UK citizenship should be ironclad guarantees in a UI anyways). As for down here we just need an idea of how this will work and make sure any sort term financial issues are offset by longer term gains overall.
I’d personally vote against it. The financial commitments would mean an increase in taxes for everyone.
The situation we have now is fine. Northern Irish people can choose whether they are British or Irish citizens, travel is free, London pays for the North’s massive public expenditure and there is no threat of bubbling violence.
If we reunite we’ll have increased taxes, an absolute mess trying to amalgamate public services between two bloated public bodies, and a plethora of other problems for virtually no practical changes to the current situation except the North will have a new flag.
I’d be confident that if the reality of the situation was laid out to the public, which it would be before a referendum on unification, the referendum would be voted down.
Do we in the south get any say specifically do we get to vote. Strange that we wouldn’t but the parties may fear a no vote. Money that would need to be spent on social welfare roads etc. Not to mention supporting the north’s via military complex Hartland and wolf short de haveland etc
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They sure do. Very smart thinking.
The Irish government is basically the only body that can and would credibly work to fill in what a United Ireland might actually look like. Doing that would create momentum towards it – how many people polled say they’re not sure or don’t want to because they don’t know what it means. (And to be fair, having seen what it would really entail may turn some off!)
We need to get on with it. Waiting around for unionists to engage will never work – not in their interest to start the work. But I think we can bring them along if we make a balanced plan.
Pam Pam, double tap back at Burnham for coming here and being an ill prepared cheeky monkey with his talk of tables as if he decides these things.
Pam from Helen whatsherface last week.
Pam from Martin today.
That has got to smart mr Burnham.
Not just the condition for the poll to be held, we need a fucking map on how this is going yo happen! 100 years of same but different needs planned for. Here’s one really minor example. The legal standard for roadworks signs has two very different types of signs in use (and yes, they have to be a certain standard by law in both jurisdictions). Say there’s a united Ireland tomorrow, which standard takes precedence? One very minor, stupid example. But there are literally thousands of these, if not 100s of thousands. We need a fucking plan!
you know your bad at communication when even martin can seem to have a better answer than you
Realistically there does need to be a frank discussion about what sort of conditions need to be met to trigger a vote on the issue and decide or put the question to rest for a number of years, it’s not going to go away until its dealt with.
Ultimately though the decision whether to vote for Reunification needs to be an informed one and that people have some idea of what will come of it, sure there’s more obvious ones like automatic restoration of EU rights for up North but what needs to be fleshed out is making sure the Unionists at least know they’re not losing out on this but gaining alot more out of the whole thing (things like their UK citizenship should be ironclad guarantees in a UI anyways). As for down here we just need an idea of how this will work and make sure any sort term financial issues are offset by longer term gains overall.
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I’d personally vote against it. The financial commitments would mean an increase in taxes for everyone.
The situation we have now is fine. Northern Irish people can choose whether they are British or Irish citizens, travel is free, London pays for the North’s massive public expenditure and there is no threat of bubbling violence.
If we reunite we’ll have increased taxes, an absolute mess trying to amalgamate public services between two bloated public bodies, and a plethora of other problems for virtually no practical changes to the current situation except the North will have a new flag.
I’d be confident that if the reality of the situation was laid out to the public, which it would be before a referendum on unification, the referendum would be voted down.
Do we in the south get any say specifically do we get to vote. Strange that we wouldn’t but the parties may fear a no vote. Money that would need to be spent on social welfare roads etc. Not to mention supporting the north’s via military complex Hartland and wolf short de haveland etc